FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development

[andythenorth]

Genuine panda with bamboo clasps.

Not buying. No Moose, no sale.

[wallyweb]

Not buying. No Moose, no sale.

We have added your name to our Special Person Advisory Machine. Because you are a special person you will be advised daily as to the status of your order which is pending the establishment of a proper Genuine Faux Moose Wallet industry chain.

[andythenorth]

This one is probably finished eh.

[andythenorth]

Carbon Black Plant eh

[andythenorth]

Time for a FIRS version 4 alpha.

Unlike the previous FIRS 4 test, this one has a new grfid, separating it from FIRS 3. Also the correct version info is now displayed in-game / filename.

Needs minimum OpenTTD 1.9, as it requires OpenTTD support for up to 16 cargos in/out.

Major changes are:

• use more than 3 cargos in / 2 out at certain industries, notably ports and harbours
• major rework of Steeltown
• major rework of Arctic Basic
• minor rework of Tropic Basic
• all production code rewritten as the newgrf spec changed with 16 cargo in/out support

It's very possible that there are bugs in the new production code, and it would be super useful to find those ASAP

Download FIRS 4 Alpha 1

firs-4.0.0-alpha-1.tar

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OpenTTD Issue
There is a known bug in OpenTTD 1.9 where the industry directory window crashes the game. Basically, don't do that, or use OpenTTD nightly where it's fixed. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7631

Docs
I'm also testing alternatives for publishing the FIRS docs, as it's no longer possible to use OpenTTD Coop for this.

This link is not permanent, but eh: Test v4 Docs

[kamnet]

OpenTTD Issue
There is a known bug in OpenTTD 1.9 where the industry directory window crashes the game. Basically, don't do that, or use OpenTTD 1.10 or nightly where it's fixed. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7631

Using OpenTTD 1.10 beta 1, I got the industry directory to crash the game when I set FIRS to Steeltown. Save and crash log attached.

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Assertion failed at line 164 of d:\a\1\s\src\strings_func.h: n < this -> num_param

[andythenorth]

Also in v4, Scrap Yard / Junk Yard production now depends on town population, so big towns will cause enormous scrap metal production

Using OpenTTD 1.10 beta 1, I got the industry directory to crash the game when I set FIRS to Steeltown. Save and crash log attached.

You're right, fix #7631 isn't in OpenTTD 1.10.0-beta-1, my mistake It is merged so it will be in OpenTTD nightlies, I've amended the earlier post, thanks.

[cbtendo]

I'm trying to start a new game using jgr patch pack and firs 4 alpha, I got this error after the map has been generated

[andythenorth]

I'm trying to start a new game using jgr patch pack and firs 4 alpha

Thanks for the report!

I admire what JGR does with the patchpack, but there's no FIRS support for JGRPP, sorry

Works fine for me in vanilla OpenTTD.

[kamnet]

Using JGR 0.32.4, FIRS 4.0 alpha, Extreme economy, I get Fishing Grounds.

[cbtendo]

I'm trying to start a new game using jgr patch pack and firs 4 alpha

Thanks for the report!

I admire what JGR does with the patchpack, but there's no FIRS support for JGRPP, sorry

Works fine for me in vanilla OpenTTD.

So, I tried using firs in the latest nightly build, using FIRS 4 in extreme mode, I got fishing ground error.
then I tried changing it into in a hot country mode, i got diamond mine error.
then I tried changing it into steeltown, I got no error.

then I disable all newgrf except firs 4 and set it to extreme mode, I got no error. the same also happened in JGRPP, if I deactivate all newgrf except firs, I got no error in extreme mode.
I think this is conflicting newgrf. Could anyone help narrow down which might be the issue? Here's my newgrf list

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F1250008|50FB3D273893DED2B688E50332514FFE|firs-4.0.0-alpha-1\firs-4.0.0-alpha-1\firs.grf = 5 0 0 0 0 0 16 150 80 300
4A595001|BBA9F50E894D063E20773A66E15B8FAD|2cc_bus_set-v10\2ccbusset.grf = 4 3 3 7 6 7
4E4D0325|DACB1F8EC7F42730F6AFBA6F1B0749ED|2cc_rapid_transit_for_me-1\2ccrtfm.grf = 4 4 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
544D0101|7305E4DD26832283F7E8ABFE1F62192A|2cc_trainsinnml-3.0alpha3\2ccts.grf = 4 4 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
FBFB0010|2A0082F909643FFB6624BD510EBDDA4D|2cc_trams-0.1.0beta2\trams-2cc.grf = 0 1
44440A01|FCEEC76CF44EC23E7FE9C88048CF11CC|av8_aviators_aircraft_set-2.21\pb_av8w.grf = 1 0 0 0 0 1
5A425801|B10930FC85F8C693D5AA08CFF30202EF|chinese_true_town_names-1.0\chinese_true_town_names.grf = 
50430901|C3AE624A4F431B28FCB52CDB7F7867FA|chips_custom_docks-1.0\chips_docks.grf = 0 0 0 0 0
43485053|BD7D7783BDFCA29CF1149CF9271FD8BB|chips_station_set-1.9.0\chips.grf = 
4C4D0201|F4D9597764DCB3ED985A79978F233A8C|dutch_signals-1\dutchsignals.grf = 
58534453|2E100BCA91DB8371CD9D57DBEC3AB0C8|dutch_stations_set-1.0.0alpha\dutchstatw.grf = 
504A0112|80D0B8699A417CC03CD06BC74E8796D0|dutch_station_addition_part_2-0.4\dstatadd_part2_v0_4.grf = 
504A0113|0B65D0779D65427BC135FC624278FEA3|dutch_station_addition_part_3-001\dstatadd_part3_v001.grf = 
504A0110|E8244C5278CB2408A818854DC11F8940|dutch_station_addition_set-0.8\dstatadd_v0_8.grf = 
FBFB0601|E167E84751FD2E61967944010AF5C56D|dutch_trainset_2-2.1.0\dutchtrains.grf = 0 0 4 4 1 1
FBFB0602|DBB6827E16FBB0540AD2CD99C59B68C9|the_dutch_trainset_addon-1.0\dutch_trainset_addon.grf = 4 4 1
52571203|2E00A55DF056E0F4BD7BBC2517514DC7|egrvts2-202\egrvts2.grf = 0 62 3 0
454E1901|83C370E282A6EABD81B358D898C8E7CD|future_reality_inspired_maglevs-1.2\frims_maglev_set_1.2.grf = 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1
44440A11|D701E3219A08351B1705A7860644A9A2|general_av8ion-1.0\genav8.grf = 
41501202|B13DD8FB0D7C34CACAC2FE68BD137BB9|heqs_heavy_equipment_set-1.5.2\heqs.grf = 9 9 1 1 1 1
455B0101|D224D77DBA44740B1DB42DCCAA67B25A|indonesian_town_names-0.9\indonesia-beta-8.grf = 
4A430002|93EAC5F5396584B92D4C5F0AAAF3F6C5|industrial_stations_renewal-1.0.2\indstatr.grf = 0 1
5043A010|1B83986FEE421A06589FFB66D5364E11|isr_rail__road_depots-0.2\isr_depot.grf = 0
504A0013|8C19753CB66905E869534611828C2654|isrdwestyle_objects-1.1\isrdwe_objects_v1_1.grf = 
504A0103|7040A4DC88302927794941CD853A47CF|isrstyle_dock-1.4\isrdock_v1_4.grf = 
45520C00|FCF4EE39F19C02D9E8603D07621DDD99|japanese_town_names.0.6\jpset_namw.grf = 
52453200|DBA84425F161E178ABAFBC3232509240|japanset_landscape-3.1\jpland.grf = 1 0 1 2
2C320A01|065916BDB63F43BBB4A686E1B4954004|japanese_signals-3.0\jpsignals.grf = 1
45530500|D9BE5AFA481FC3E0A96E6EB72B455612|japanese_stations-3.6\jpstations.grf = 1 1 1 1
44503000|0BF5A48500990CF4CBFED5D7CC6ED120|japanese_tracks-3.2\jptracks.grf = 0 0 0 2 2 1 1 1 3 1 0
535A0D00|21AC703CAB2BE6A80FAF2344366FE0C1|japanese_train_set-3.3\jptrains.grf = 0 1 1 2 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0
44501401|5B9D588504701CCC2BB14CDB1F18D06B|japanese_maglevs-3.1\jptrainsadd.grf = 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1
454E1301|1FFB499CFEE765FF7F591D7D8C040AD0|japanese_suspended_monorail_set-1.0\jpsusmon.grf = 1 2 2
4B570101|04C0F5160683940421285B980D72EC47|keio_railway_set-3.0beta2\jptaddon.grf = 10 5 3 3 0 0
44483031|462AEF0B6FD5F93F593E7AF549D91FA6|jnr_ed75-1.0\ed75.grf = 
544B0202|C336DF8D4ED416B99892E403303C9CA7|korean_bus_set-0.3.6\ko_bus_set.grf = 5 0 0 0 0 0 3 5 0 0
544B5555|3C6D4F008CCA9EB6F5C0F09846F5D910|korea_train_set-1.6.10\ko_train_set.grf = 0 10 10 10 10 0 3 5 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 0
454E0202|AC1ADFB1CBF3066671DE6D454C7B43AF|maglev_track_set_v2-2.2\maglev_track_set.grf = 0 2 2 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 5 0
44450602|315AB806C5B8E61EEFDBBC2EEC7E824E|mops_generic_nrt_road_vehicles_-0.6.5\moprv65.grf = 2 2 4 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 0
454E2101|AF88DC41C74FC64B8479F256665A0C76|nats__nagoya_area_train_set-0.4.1.1\nats.grf = 1 2 2
444A5401|B9E9E16F258B32DC91E8BABEF037AFA7|nutracks-r247\nutracks.grf = 1 2 5 1975 0 0 80 125 180 230 350 56 56 37 20 14 14 9 20
4D50006A|3A797B1A7E3968A91CB45199BCF52520|ore_unloader_station-0.1\iorestat.grf = 1
4A530117|CA32127C974FD70434F9CA4E0AD4A501|ecs__firs_vehicle_set-2014.11.26\efrefit.grf = 
4D430207|8602C9039D1F4E68FDBFF966360C11AE|polroad-44\polroad.grf = 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1
52495302|5E2D6D85CF9D5D4BE7F045E81A17F1A0|recycled_infrastructure_set-4.0\ris.grf = 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 3 0 0 1 1 2 2 1 0
52545303|9305831333D743549C5B7A8DCB2D78A4|recycled_track_set-0.1\rts.grf = 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 3 0 0 1 1 2 2 1 0
1560B248|76BE5A3BA8C66817C14CFA05177D20D9|redfish-0.4\redfish.grf = 1 1 0
454E2001|EB36821EDDFAAC0E5E18CD296E55D7FA|real_international_maglev_set-1.5\rims.grf = 1 2 2 0 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1
9787EAFE|04ACD20A006E345283D6464678AFFA8B|road_hog-1.4.1\road-hog.grf = 1 0 0
4A430105|CB8F923BC8983DE30A783B288A3F63B7|stadler_gtw_trenord_atr115125-1.0\stadler_gtw_trenord.grf = 
54420101|A6B5EAE6320FC2C1A3A62D6D7295E029|toei_interconnection_addon_set-1.7alpha\tias.grf = 2 2 2 3 1
6D6B77E0|40746D85AEE624BB26A981D9EA9BD5A2|tokyo_metro_set-3\tokyometro.grf = 2 2
74677462|1D2A4E03D9F30922788C166254C27619|total_bridge_renewal_set-1.2\total_bridges.grf = 
56430001|2AD089EE6B73F25D79F286AD43765914|total_town_replacement_set-3.14\ttrs3w.grf = 1 0 0 1
58580101|C49269BB422614D7F0DBCC7D9060A19D|traxx_locomotive_set-0.2.0.1\traxx.grf = 0 0
55460101|2C6D5E48C2B5265384A557F856BC9275|urermm-1.02\u_rermm.grf = 1
4A4B0102|E266EACC1B3452D7538497F1332100DB|korean_bus_set_expansion-v1.17.0\kbs_expand_1.17.0.grf = 5 5 5 5 0 0 2 3 1 0 0 0 0 0
4B4B1101|AF908557A71573681F5A0A72015B1378|vace__vtol_aircraft_for_everyon-4\vace.grf = 0 0
444A5903|A6F5779EF9AACF8417D5C06956613CEB|vactrain_set_1.1.fork-1.1.3\vactrain.grf = 2020 2028 0 0 0
4341121F|76460247317559F33BAE02EC30110698|iron_horse_2-2.3.0\iron-horse.grf = 1 0 2
49485102|6D64983AC3AE3854D078B40F487E722E|iron_horse_2_addon-0.1\ih_addonset.grf = 2
34371099|E30E3F3D806AC87FC15358AC2213CFED|RattRoadsAll.grf = 0 0 1

[andythenorth]

I'll investigate some more, thanks

These errors are definitely possible, they're exactly what I'd expect to see from bugs in the new production code, or from an older incompatible version of OpenTTD.

[kamnet]

I got FIRS 4.0 Beta one to produce the same errors that cbtendo go, by loading FIRS along with any other industry set based on FIRS 2/3 code. And it caused a never-ending cycle of errors to pop up in the middle of the screen, and you can't clear them away fast enough, and it covers up any of the other boxes to exit the game or the program, so you have to force the OS to terminate the program. And I got it to do it on OpenTTD 1.9.3, 10.0.0 Beta 1, today's nightly and JGRPP 0.32.4.

[andythenorth]

I got FIRS 4.0 Beta one to produce the same errors that cbtendo go, by loading FIRS along with any other industry set based on FIRS 2/3 code.

Any specific grfs? I tried to repro with older FIRS, with Auz Industries and with SPI, can't trigger this. Sounds lolz though

[kamnet]

I got FIRS 4.0 Beta one to produce the same errors that cbtendo go, by loading FIRS along with any other industry set based on FIRS 2/3 code.

Any specific grfs? I tried to repro with older FIRS, with Auz Industries and with SPI, can't trigger this. Sounds lolz though

North American Industry Set, Apollo Rocket Industry Set, and I can't remember what else now.

Funny thing, it played fine, it didn't look like any cargo chains were broken, you just had to play around the big error box.

[Diesel Power]

Just a quick one, the Iron ore mine isn't snow aware. think it's the only industry that isn't.

[ignasigh]

With latest FIRST (v3) the Fishing grounds do not have fish as production if your industry type is EXTREME. However it works if it is temperate.

Not sure who can take a look at it.

[andythenorth]

So.

FIRS v4 will remove Extreme.

FIRS v4 is an update to make use of both 16 cargos per industry and the increased cargo limits per game.

Extreme doesn't adapt well to those changes.

The plan is to develop new complex economies, with more coherent themes than Extreme. FIRS v4 Steeltown is the first of these. FIRS Basic economies are also tweaked in v4 to use 16-cargo industries in a couple of cases.

Reworking an economy takes about a year or more, so if I wait to add more, FIRS v4 with new Steeltown won't be released until 2021 earliest.

So FIRS v4 will remove Extreme.

FIRS v4 will also remove In A Hot Country.

Those economies will remain present in FIRS v3, which will still be available on Bananas. Super!

[kamnet]

This makes me both happy and sad, as I'm definitely an "Extreme" kinda guy.

Still, Andythenorth is a forward-thinking, if not outright brilliant, developer who has never rested on his laurels. Pushing FIRS forward will, no doubt, bring a lot of happiness to others.

[wallyweb]

I hope he adds Canadian maple syrup and beaver pelts to his new list of cargoes.