NARS texts for translation

[michael blunck]

The ACTS system has nothing to do with transporting trailers [...]

Arrgh! When editing, the reference for the Dutch ACTS wikipage got under the label "piggyback" instead under "intermodal container car".

n) Intermodal Container Car
[EDIT] -> "ACTS-Tragwagen" -> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrollcont ... portsystem

Sorry, I´m going to change it in my original post.

Thanks for pointing this out.

regards
Michael

[FooBar]

Broodje and I came to the following (according to us final) Dutch translation:

1) Geschikt voor:
a) lichte vracht
b) vracht
c) zware vracht
d) steile bergen
e) passagiers lokaal
f) passagiers regionaal
g) intercity
h) passagiers lokaal of lichte vracht
i) passagiers regionaal of vracht
j) intercity of zware vracht
k) passagiers hogesnelheid of vracht

2) verwarming/stroom rijtuigen
a) stoomverwarming
b) verwarming/stroom van generator
c) verwarming/stroom van motor
d) zelfaangedreven

3a) Houtverbrandings [stoomlocomotief]
3b) Zware [stoomlocomotief]
3c) Gestroomlijnde [stoomlocomotief]
3d) Stoom, Diesel, Elektrisch, Turbine, Brandstofcel [locomotief typen]

4a) Transmissieverhouding
4b) Transmissie afstellen
4c) Verstelbare transmissie

5a) Verwarming/stroom Generator Wagen
5b) Rijtuig met bovenramen, Personenrijtuig, Restauratierijtuig, Slaaprijtuig, Uitzichtrijtuig, Panoramarijtuig, Buffetrijtuig, Baggagerijtuig, Dubbeldekker [passagiersrijtuig typen]

6a) Stuurstand met:
6b) Speciale optie: Kantel[baktrein]

7a) Maximum treinlengte is zes rijtuigen/wagens
7b) Deze trein heeft meer aangedreven rijtuigen nodig
7c) Deze wagen/rijtuig is te oud om te worden omgebouwd
7d) Deze locomotief kan rijtuigen niet van verwarming/stroom voorzien
7e) Deze locomotief kan alleen (dubbeldeks) rijtuigen (en postwagens) trekken
7f) De [Intercity] kan alleen (intercity) rijtuigen trekken

8a) Deze trein heeft een remwagen nodig
8b) Een remwagen is nodig voor vrachttreinen
8c) Een remwagen is niet nodig na 1975: treinen gebruiken een sluitsein
8d) Sneeuwploeg heeft een duwende locomotief nodig

9a) Containerwagen [platte wagen voor containers]
9b) Opleggerwagen [platte wagen voor opleggers]
9c) [platte rongenwagen voor] Boomstammen
9d) [platte wagen voor] Hout

0) [wagentypen]
a) (Dubbeldeks) rijtuig
b) Postwagen
c) Intercity rijtuig
d) (2-Baks, Grote, Afgedekte) Zelflosser
e) Ketelwagen
f) (Moderne) Veewagen
g) (Hoge) Gesloten wagen
h) Open wagen
i) (Express, Middenbalk) Platte wagen
j) Remwagen
k) Staalrollenwagen
l) Autowagen [Autotrein]
m) Koelwagen
n) ACTS wagen

[AndersI]

h) Light Passenger or Freight - Få passagerare / Lätt frakt
i) Passenger or Freight - Passagerare eller frakt
j) Heavy Passenger or Freight - Många passagerare eller frakt
k) Fast Passenger or Freight - Höghastighetspassagerare eller frakt

Why not use the same pattern everywhere:
Få passagerare / Lätt frakt
Passagerare / Frakt
Många passagerare / Mycket frakt
Höghastighets-passagerare / -frakt

4a) Gear Ratio - Växelförhållande
4b) Regearing - Omväxling
4c) Regearable - Möjlighet till omväxling

Utväxling
Växelbyte
Möjlighet till växelbyte

5a) HEP Generator Car - HEP-generatorsvagn

"Head End Power" and a separate car seems like an oxymoron to me? Either it is in the head end, or it is in a car of it's own? Anyway, just call it "Generatorvagn".

5b) Clerestory, Coach, Diner, Sleeper, Observation, Dome, Buffet, Baggage, Bilevel [passenger car types] - Clerestory, Vagn, Restaurangvagn, Sovvagn, Observation, Dome, Buffetvagn, Bagagevagn, Tvåvåningsvagn (Sorry, the words in red makes no sense to a passenger wagon, thus cannot be translated by me)

Clerestory could be "Lanternin" - http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanternin
Observation could be "Utsiktsvagn"
Dome could be "Panoramavagn" - http://www.jarnvag.net/vagnguide/AFS1.asp

6b) Special Feature: Tilt[ing train] - Speciella funktioner: Tilt[ande tåg]

I think "Lutningsbar" is the Swedish word for it - http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/X2000

7b) This train requires more power cars to haul more trailers - Detta tåg kräver mer kraftgenererande vagnear för att dra fler vagnar

What about "fler motoriserade vagnar" instead?

7d) This locomotive cannot heat/power passenger cars - Detta lok kan ej värma/drive passagerarvagnar

"Detta lok kan ej värma/ge kraft till passagerarvagnar"

8a) This train requires a caboose - Detta tåg kräver en kabyss
8b) A caboose is required by freight trains - Kabyss behövs på fraktlok
8c) A caboose is not required after 1975: trains will use a flashing rear-end device (FRED) instead - Kabyss behövs ej efter 1975; tåg använder en blinkade apparat bak istället

I don't think "kabyss" is right - that's the kitchen on a ship
"bromsvagn" is the closest thing I can think of in Swedish railwaying.
FRED = "slutlykta"

9a) Container [a flatcar that carries containers] - Container [en plattvagn som bär containers]
9b) Piggyback [a flatcar that carries a semi-trailer] - No equivalent in Swedish [en plattvagn som bär ett lastbilssläp]

Flatcar = "Flakvagn"
Piggyback ~ "kombitransport" - http://www.tagoperatorerna.se/sitespeci ... verkan.pdf

b) Mail Car - Brevvagn

Chrill! It's called a "Postvagn"!

d) (2-Bay, Large, Covered) Hopper Car (Tvådelas, Stor, Täckt) Hoppervagn
e) Tank Car - (Olje)Cisternvagn

What's wrong with "Tankvagn"?

k) Steel Coil Car - Ståltäckt vagn

Nope, it's a special car for steel coils, could be called "Specialvagn för Coils" - http://www.greencargo.com/templates/Ima ... spx?id=859

[Chrill]

Told you my translations weren't good. I must, actually, agree with every single remake of AndersI, except maybe for the train tilt translation.

Korglutning is a word they use, but not sure about Lutningsbar. Tiltande tåg, that's how I'd explain the X2000 to a Swede, in Swedish

[ostlandr]

So, then, for the pulpwood car auf deutch, how about Faserholzwagen?

That's the usual German pattern, use familiar words strung together instead of new, as in Panzerkampfwagen, or Fliegerabwehrkanone, or Sonderkraftfahrzeug.

[michael blunck]

"Flachwagen (für Coiltransporte)":

So, then, for the pulpwood car auf deutch, how about Faserholzwagen?

That's the usual German pattern, use familiar words strung together instead of new, as in Panzerkampfwagen, or Fliegerabwehrkanone, or Sonderkraftfahrzeug.

Yes, you´re right with the general "agglutination scheme" present in the German language, see e.g.: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=529748#p529748 .

Nevertheless, I´ve never heard the term "Faserholzwagen", and indeed there´s only one signle hit of it in google. And obviously it´s in a railroadtycoon forum.

In technical terms, freight cars aren´t named after their cargo, but after their type of construction, i.e., "gedeckter Güterwagen" (literally "closed van"), or "Flachwagen" (literally "flat car"). Today, this is driven to the top by the UIC labeling of freight cars. There were o/c terms coined in the public like "Ölwagen" or "Kohlewagen", i.e. names derived from the cargo transported by these cars, very much like it was in TTD before general refitting was introduced by the makers of TTDPatch. But these were never the "official".

Except from this, "Faserholz" is a dubious term in itself, because in German, it´s not always clear if (same as in English) a product or its source material is meant (e.g., pulpwood != wood pulp). According to the glossary of "Zellstoff Rosenthal" (a German cellulose producer), every type of wood, used for production of pulp/cellulose or paper, may be called "Faserholz".

Nevertheless, it seems to be the correct technical term in the paper/pulp business, so how about

"Flachwagen mit Rungen (für Faserholztransport)" or
"Rungenwagen (für Faserholz)", etc. pp.

In any case, there should be a consistent naming scheme. And as Pikka already pointed out, he´d only need the cargo term because the flat cars would be refitted anyway, i.e. it all boils down to:

"Rungenwagen", refittable to "Faserholz".


BTW, I´ve added part of my collection of railway terms into a TTD Railway Dictionary, which should be helpful in future set design. Would be nice if other people would provide input there too.

regards
Michael