Farmland Area Car Set mods

Plastikman · Post by **Plastikman** » 13 May 2007 16:54

it is a sprite count error. you have the wrong nunber of sprites for your xml is listed as. you are telling it you have 32 when you have 64, (or was it the other way around?) or You have it listed as multistate and it is not. it is easy to fix, just time consuming if you made that many without testing.. eep.

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 13 May 2007 18:54

Plastikman wrote:it is a sprite count error. you have the wrong nunber of sprites for your xml is listed as. you are telling it you have 32 when you have 64, (or was it the other way around?) or You have it listed as multistate and it is not. it is easy to fix, just time consuming if you made that many without testing.. eep.

Made the 1st tested it, worked fine didn't like the graphic and change it. used same template and just dropped png into folder. I never got a good feel for VC so tried it and well we all see the end result

Still working on them even renaming them to be in LP US xxxxxxx format

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 14 May 2007 02:12

2 bay hoppers and 40ft box car fix is done is 1st page file name Boxcar_2bay_fix.rar

working on the 50 footers

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 15 May 2007 14:14

Finally got the 50 ft boxcar fix online

Also have a couple loco's that could use a bit of testing hills curves pulling power etc

andel · Post by **andel** » 15 May 2007 14:17

Some nice work there; have you considered about doing 1 big release in form of a .zip file?

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 15 May 2007 14:27

yep sure have but I have so many locomotives all in a "homebrewed" livery it's going to take time....
Here's a partial list of the one that I have started on
RS3,GP20, GP30 H1644 CF7a, U30B BQdash7 BL2 AS415 GE 70 ton, GP60 GP38 GP38-2 GP39 GP40 GP40-2 RS2 RS11 C420 GP18 GP8 GP10 SD9 SD7 SD24 SD40-2 SD40 SD75 FP45 and still more tried eyes can't read my notes

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 17 May 2007 01:58

A few from my LS&BC (MSTS) fleet

Sorry I can't release them I backwards engineer the shape using TS Modeller on some of the equipment... Modelled from pictures of others work

Plastikman · Post by **Plastikman** » 17 May 2007 20:33

I finally tried out one of your F-Units. They sit off the track like they derailed and the bounding box is way to large (bad coupling), the engine is to long for Lomo scale.. Also, I am 100% positive that the Train of Yours that I tried (BN F7) is Marc Nelson's of 3-DTrains. Maybe You should test them a little more before You pump out some new stuff.

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 01:03

The F7's were all made with the download (f7) from Auran maker of Paint shed, I'll admit that the graphic for the BN logo was cut from some other loco but can't recall where. I've downloaded 4 different files of railroad heralds from different places and cut pasted from them for my use. If this violates copyrights then I am sorry.
I will refrain from posting any further equipment that I haven't totally tested, The cab units file is removed and will not be reposted.

Plastikman · Post by **Plastikman** » 18 May 2007 01:53

legs4poets wrote:The F7's were all made with the download (f7) from Auran maker of Paint shed, I'll admit that the graphic for the BN logo was cut from some other loco but can't recall where. I've downloaded 4 different files of railroad heralds from different places and cut pasted from them for my use. If this violates copyrights then I am sorry.
I will refrain from posting any further equipment that I haven't totally tested, The cab units file is removed and will not be reposted.

Technicaly it is the shape you should be worried about. even a "generic" one that is "freeware" still might have copywrites and rules on usage. there are some shapes that clearly say do anything you want with them, but, those are rare. some had to make it and that is intulectual property of someone.

a while back when Scrat released VC there was a buzz around the MSTS scene and some people got upset at this. Some people wont let us convert stuff anymore, We try not to offend anyone but some people dontlike to see someone push a button and reverse engneer what some person might have spent 100's of hours building.

I am not trying to be rude just pointing it out that taking the few extra steps makes a happy comunity for both us and MSTS people. Most of them are very close..

ssbn742 · Post by **ssbn742** » 18 May 2007 03:45

you said auran paint shed? no wonder there are probs, aurans stuff is for trainz.

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 04:21

Hmmm ok I think I've got the idea.... If someone else made the shape I can't use it then. Well not wanting to be a nitpicker I'll leave the mod making to others and not post anything and keep the MSTS and loco communities happy.

Two side points tho, Auran made a paint shed for MSTS the conversion problem with length etc was my error.... new to loco... got bored with MSTS.... 2nd point is prehaps there is a bit too much "I did it 1st" in the MSTS community.... I know of 6 different shape files for the gp9 that are available at train-sim.com... and that just the high hood model. I even made one in TSM but had a few problems with it. I couldn't get the air intake for the paducah gp8/10 rebuilds of IC to look right. Someone made one after me, published it so I quit my attempt. By what your telling me I can't finish my project because of some copyright to the shape file?

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 04:29

Sorry but I am totally confused on the issue of copyright to a "shape"? Well just for the sake of arguement I have never seen anyone claim to have the rights to the simple shape of a circle so therefor I do hereby claim it was made by an ancestor of mine and claim total rights to it. I can't place an axle to it cause someone else owns the shape copyright

Yes being silly because that's how I see this. Did anyone get permission to use the dash9 or sd40-2 (default MSTS) shape files that are all over all MSTS type sites?

MjD · Post by **MjD** » 18 May 2007 12:21

legs4poets wrote:Sorry but I am totally confused on the issue of copyright to a "shape"? Well just for the sake of arguement I have never seen anyone claim to have the rights to the simple shape of a circle so therefor I do hereby claim it was made by an ancestor of mine and claim total rights to it. I can't place an axle to it cause someone else owns the shape copyright Yes being silly because that's how I see this. Did anyone get permission to use the dash9 or sd40-2 (default MSTS) shape files that are all over all MSTS type sites?

In terms of this argument you are simplifying the term 'shape'. For MSTS the 'shape' is the whole model of the train, and as such it is the creators intellectual property and they have the right to withhold distribution or ability to change the 'shape' if they want.

I think the reason you are confused by this is because you are looking at the literally meaning of the word shape (hence where you got the idea of the copyright of a circle) and look at the word 'shape' in the context of MSTS, and it should become clearer to you.

MD

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 13:43

Perhaps this might settle the issue....about what I have questions about. I can't use this type engine because someone else has made a shape file similiar to it? BTW it was just made after reading the post above, and shows that Paint Shed was also made for MSTS

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 13:46

The EJ_Egraf.rar only cintains the eng s and sd files

Plastikman · Post by **Plastikman** » 18 May 2007 18:05

Let me try and shed some light. by shape i mean the actual model. Say chris makes an sd40-2. then he copywrites his work as intelectual property. there is no reason you can get g-max or some other 3d software and make another sd40-2 and copywrite it. now chis owns the rights to his sd40-2 and if you start distibuting it, selling it or reverse engineering it, that is what is illegal. unless of course, you ask him, he might be happy that you are using his models. as far as the .s file in paint shed, Aruan owns that, I would assume you have to ask them. even if there are no textures, just the shape (.s file).

I am not saying "hey dont make anymore mods for lomo", I am saying we need more modders, just spend a few min, get the rights, beta test the stuff. aim for a little quality. as you said, it sucks to make something and then have some one make it better, so make the best to start with! (it also sucks to release total crap, as a few people have in the past). I always say quality over quanity. LoL you should have seen My first models, i find them on My pc, laugh and delete them.

on a side note, i know in seeking permissions, i have had people say no because so in so is already converting that. well, i have no idea who so in so is and over a year and a half later so and so has yet to release it.

as i said we are more then willing to help you make wonderfull stuff.... i was just rying to give a few pointers.. start with the MS / kujo models those are pretty safe to work with (terrible models tho) make something basic, get it tested then make more. i know from experiance, to release 50 defective boxcars at once really sucks having to fix them. I know when i sit down and play a game that takes 10 hours i find tons of bugs. play.. ooops.. save.. fix... play...oops... fix.... etc.....

sorry if this reads choppy i am in a rush.

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 23:38

Auran's eula states to the effect use it for free distribution. I also have read the readme docs on files and look for statements as such

Legal stuff: All of the files (except the logo) are provided in the public domain. Spindle, fold, bend, and mutilate as you desire, and then call it your own!!! Logo is copyright to me--xxxxxxx--as freeware. So use your own logo, or none if you wish, and model on!!!

etc.deleted

Yes it's a research intensive thing but when I find one I use search look for more by that person read those readmes (which most say same) and model on. Am I interpreting the disclaimer wrong?

legs4poets · Post by **legs4poets** » 18 May 2007 23:43

Just wish to keep things clear. Also since I've down such a lousey job and stirred such a cloud up I'll return to completely the buildings part of the farmland mod and call it complete when that portion is done. Vechicles seem to be a problem for me so I'll stick to other ventures,

Plastikman · Post by **Plastikman** » 19 May 2007 00:10

If thats the Eula .. then go for it! Please Don't stop on My part. as i said. there are plenty of No licence items out there and if You want to repaint them, go for it!

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