FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development

[Bobbysepp]

The spawning issues were already brought up, and are fixed a little before nightly 15575. It wasn't a bug with FIRS, per se, but with OTTD itself.

[YukonRob]

I assumed you meant 19575 (vs 15575) because it still existed in 19564. But I have downloaded today's (19594) and it still exists.

[Bobbysepp]

Oh, whoops, yeah.. I retract my previous statement. It still does it, but not as badly.

[manishpc_7]

I looked through the Topic and I don't think there is anything about this.
I came across it when I started a new game with the settings you'll see below.
There is only 1 facility for most of the industries on the map..
When I have the Map Size - 2048/2048, 1024/2048 or 2048/1024
Its only with the 2048 map sizes, and it doesn't matter what setting you have set No. Of Industries - Low to High

the industry count is still low...and the industries are placed far to apart....it seems like only the first 10-15 industires have a reasonable number....hope the problem is sorted out soon

[Irwe]

Just something I have had in my mind for a while now.

Is the FIRS brewery based on pawtucket brewery?

[andythenorth]

Is the FIRS brewery based on pawtucket brewery?

Hey, it looks similar yes But the FIRS brewery is based on The American Brewery in Baltimore:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=america ... wery&w=all

Perhaps Pawtucket Brewery is also based on that

[Irwe]

Perhaps Pawtucket Brewery is also based on that

Probably, the brewery is very nice and it looks really "brewery(ish)"

[andythenorth]

Irwe did some more nice snow sprites

textile_mill_snow.png (48.85 KiB) Viewed 2317 times

[andythenorth]

I've started work on FIRS 0.2.

This release will mostly be about gameplay balance and ensuring all the existing code is clean and bug free.

Nothing is set in stone, but here's the likely changes:
- change production levels at some industries. If well supplied with Farm Supplies, farms can produce implausible amounts of cargo. Seeing long lines of trucks or large trains or ships waiting at a farm is not my taste. Farm production will be lower, but farms will cluster in sections of the map, so feeder services can be used from each farm to a railhead, dock etc.
- remove as many wrong settings of callbacks, special flags etc. This shouldn't affect players, just keeps the code clean.
- find the right balance for industry closure. I will probably provide a parameter to control this. I have been trying to keep parameters to a minimum, but I think it's worth letting players choose how industries close. I will probably make it possible to enable/disable primary and secondary industry closure separately.

[Kogut]

Yes, my farms reached production on levels 700 + 700.
But is it possible to introduce new (bigger!), modern breweries/bakeries (and maybe production limit for old)?
Old are ideal for years 1700 - 1960.

On screenshot below brewery station is 15 times bigger than brewery!
And there is presented kind of solution for bakery.

[Kogut]

Maybe sth like this?

[andythenorth]

But is it possible to introduce new (bigger!), modern breweries/bakeries

Maybe yes. I don't want production limits. I could do something with 'efficiency' though (production ratios) which would give players an incentive to start using the new industries. Newer versions could have higher production ratio.

Also another question for 0.2, should the General Store be recoded as a town house?

[Kogut]

Yes, it will be easier to remove it.

[kamnet]

Maybe sth like this?

Interesting how life imitates art! That building already looks very OTTD / Industrial Station Renewal-ish.

[supermop]

I am very pleased/excited aboout this development:

Farm production will be lower, but farms will cluster in sections of the map, so feeder services can be used from each farm to a railhead, dock etc.

I also think there is A LOT of great potential for changing generations of industries, especially if possible to change their preferential locations, i.e. a historic (small) bakery would have a strong preference to locate within a town, while a modern (larger) food factory would prefer to be outside to facilitate transportation (and theoretically use cheaper land). I guess this could also work with general stores in the center of towns, and big box stores on the outskirts (although I would prefer that my TT towns not make the same planning mistakes as real cities have over the last 60 years...)

A potential issue I see with generational industries is balancing the transition period. If the transition is absolute, you end up with players' network rendered useless as all of their well served industries become obsolete and close down. However, if the new industries simply replace old ones in keeping with the current method of industry closure, you could create the paradoxical situation of a map with no modern industries precisely because the transport economy is so functional

Another interesting problem would be that of total number of industries on the map at a given time. Would a large number of local indutries be replaced by a smaller amount of regional ones? Or would the pre-modern (presumably agrarian) map have very few industries, that are gradually augmentent by newer forms to give a wide selection of industry types and locations in the post industrial era?

Anyway, I am very excited to see how these or other issues are approached in FIRS 0.2

[Kogut]

Is it possible show present conversion rate for industries? I dont know is it needed to carry m. supplies more frequent.

[andythenorth]

Is it possible show present conversion rate for industries? I dont know is it needed to carry m. supplies more frequent.

I'm planning to show the 'Current Cargo Conversion' with actual production ratio *now*. I figure that's what you mean. It won't be in 0.2 which is mostly an internal code change release.

cheers,

Andy

[Kogut]

Yes, it is exactly the same.

[andythenorth]

I've been adding some extra industry layouts. First....textile mills:

[SwissFan91]

Great work as always Andy. Can I ask, how far away is the set from being totally snow-compatable? (I.E. having all the snow sprites done?) Are we talking weeks/months' of work?