Dutch Trainset v2.0

[Purno]

Removing post just makes a mess of a topic, with posts making no sense anymore.

[Hyronymus]

No posts will be removed unless they are utter spam. That type of posts are never missed. There is no and never will be a rule that you have to switch off signatures that link to a different graphics development than that of the topic you're posting in. I don't know how this suggestion was made (as someone edited his post) but it's utter nonsense. It's not against the rules to advertise for another set in the topic of another set either, albeit a question of good taste.

[DeletedUser21]

Oh poop, I only asked how far we've gotten and I get back: FOUR pages of "When is it done?" - "When it's done!" ramblings!

I can sum it up nicely for those with questions:

The set is 99% complete,
There is no consensus at what that 1% is (bugsfixing, coding, graphical alligning etc.),
It took 5 years to get to 99% that means that last 1% won't take that long (statistically, because we have no other measurement methods),
In theory, keeping in mind that everybody has actually a live (amazingly ), completing that 1% of undefined development might take another month when everything turns into our favor and might take up to 3 quarters of a year if everything goes wrong (school, work, famine, women etc.). So statistically don't be amazed when it takes half a year on average, keep your hopes up for a nice fast welcoming release and ask about the release date if it takes longer than 9 months from now if the project seems dead.
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[lobster]

good, now we've got everything covered. i hereby end any kind of ongoing discussion. because i can, hah!

onwards to NS set-related subjects! BlueEagle, correct me if i'm wrong, but the upcoming release (which was our last test version - i'm still having a lot of fun with it) isn't the one with the animated new steamers, is it?

more-over, i'll be looking into the sounds. this is a long term project, seen as it's:
- almost inhuman to manually implement (according to some coder)
- simply a lot of work.
i've already sorted out some samples, but for instance running sounds will be tough. although i'm already looking forward to doing the diesel running sound, which will be alike Locomotion's; awesome sounding material.

[trainboy2004]

Maybee you can ask Illegal Alien for support. He has coded some nice custom sounds for his dutch Locomotion set.

[STT Transport]

It's a just a question, but are the "Twents" livery form the syntus train also part of the set because i can't see it on the site ????

Greetz

[Purno]

Nopes, just the Syntus and NS liveries. Twents came after we planned the trains. This problem occurs more often: New trains popping up in RealLife. However, since we don't include every train in history, we also don't have to include every modern train.

[STT Transport]

Nopes, just the Syntus and NS liveries. Twents came after we planned the trains. This problem occurs more often: New trains popping up in RealLife. However, since we don't include every train in history, we also don't have to include every modern train.

It's pitty because i travel every day with that train
Anyway thxs for the information!

[BlueEagle_nl]

good, now we've got everything covered. i hereby end any kind of ongoing discussion. because i can, hah!

onwards to NS set-related subjects! BlueEagle, correct me if i'm wrong, but the upcoming release (which was our last test version - i'm still having a lot of fun with it) isn't the one with the animated new steamers, is it?

more-over, i'll be looking into the sounds. this is a long term project, seen as it's:
- almost inhuman to manually implement (according to some coder)
- simply a lot of work.
i've already sorted out some samples, but for instance running sounds will be tough. although i'm already looking forward to doing the diesel running sound, which will be alike Locomotion's; awesome sounding material.

It hasn't got animated sprites in it, nor are the steamers replaced by Snail's sprites (still working on it, for Ameecher gave me the fix for the problem...). Also, Livery Overrides for Pax/Mail coaches are not directly implemented in the set (perhaps with the seperate GRF). This will be implemented in the second release, including the replacement of the Steamers...

Just got very busy with building the bugtracker...

Is it possible to implement the sounds through GRFMaker? Else, we'd have no use of it...

[trainboy2004]

Didn't Foobar add some custom sounds to his tram pack?

[BlueEagle_nl]

Didn't Foobar add some custom sounds to his tram pack?

Yeah, but he did that through NFO coding. I can do that too, but it'll desync the dev-files, making it impossible to use GRFMaker again...

[Purno]

My guess would be that GRFMaker does not support sound.

[FooBar]

I was about to say that I'm an old school coder, but you beat me to it

EDIT: isn't it possible to add the sounds through a secondary sound-only grf? Should be possible IMO

[BlueEagle_nl]

I was about to say that I'm an old school coder, but you beat me to it

EDIT: isn't it possible to add the sounds through a secondary sound-only grf? Should be possible IMO

Perhaps. AFAIK GRFMaker accepts NFO snippets in the code. Isn't it possible just to place the NFO-blocks containing the sound in the LST? Or telling GRFMaker to create the NFO, and adding the sounds manually...

So, it wouldn't be necessary to create a second GRF I think...

[AndersI]

Is it possible to implement the sounds through GRFMaker?

You can always use the 'generic NFO block' where you enter the hex just as in plain NFO coding.

Edit: You've already answered that yourself, oh well...

[Deblaauwn]

Can't you ask the UKRS development team for tips on this subject? (just a comment)

[lobster]

Can't you ask the UKRS development team for tips on this subject? (just a comment)

did that already, talked it over with Pikka. in fact, he offered to help us earlier already.

[BlueEagle_nl]

I'll just need the NFO snippets (or an explanation about how to create the blocks and what to put in them) and I can add them in the second release (with the replaced steamers and livery override for Pax and Mail Coaches)

[DJ Nekkid]

i need some tips on the sounds as well in the 2cc-topic, i am almost there, but i have some error somewhere...

[DJ Nekkid]

edit: i found my problem, and here is the recepy in .nfo code:

First add all sounds in a single command.

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-1 * 0  11 \b1 00
-1 ** sprites/sounds/metro3.wav

The directory and name here is pretty obvious (i assume?), and the \b1 is the number of sounds that are added. If more "sound-sprites" are added this number is increased accordingly.


The first sound have the "id" or 73 (id) as u will see in the sound-code

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<Previous Action2 to use have cid A0, this can be a "normal" action2 or a VarAction2, for example a difference between the front and back (red/yellow lights)>

-1 * 0	02 00 A1 81 10 00 FF 01    // 1 range 
                             \b73 80 // use sound id 73
                             01 01 // Use when leaveing station or Depot
                             A0 00 // Default ID

-1 * 0	02 00 A1 81 0C 00 FF 01    // 1 range
                             A0 00 // Use AD "10"
                             33 33 // CB 33 
                             A0 00 // Attach grapics from the prev "real" Action2 or VarAction2

This code adds a sound when the train leave a depot or a station. If more or others are wanted it's added in this fashion: (see others here)
Note: a sound callback needs to be enabled in the train's action0 property 1E (setting it to 80(hex), or adding 80 to any other callbacks already enabled). See here


For example we have three sounds:
* When leaving a depot or station (id 73)
* Running sound (id 74)
* When un/loading (id 75)

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<Previous Action2 to use have cid A0, this can be a "normal" action2 or a VarAction2, for example a difference between the front and back (red/yellow lights)>

-1 * 0	02 00 A1 81 10 00 FF 03    // 3 ranges
                             \b73 80 // use sound id 73
                             01 01 // Use when leaveing station or Depot
                             \b74 80 // use sound id 74
                             07 07 // Use when leaveing station or Depot
                             \b75 80 // use sound id 75
                             09 09 // Use when leaveing station or Depot
                             A0 00 // Default ID

-1 * 0	02 00 A1 81 0C 00 FF 01    // 1 range
                             A0 00 // Use AD "10"
                             33 33 // CB 33 
                             A0 00 // Attach grapics from the prev "real" Action2 or VarAction2

If there are any questions, feel free to ask!