[Canceled due 2 misunderstanding] ICTS Computer Driven Train

[Breeze646]

NVM I was looking at wrong page. Sorry.

Anyway Thanks I needed someone who know a bit more about computer driven trains and not another person who will just make fun of the idea. I hate people like those people earlyer on this forum.

Anyway Thanks.

[Breeze646]

BTW Let me just say the problems with the RT In Toronto (It was crappy disigned by the provence)

Well aculy there is no current problems with it but yeah it's crowded.

What I know AFAIK The RT is still computer driven with a driver on board for surcurity resions. He only operates it when accerating. All he does is close the doors and accerate then the computer takes over. But Toronto has something called the DWA. It's supposed to make you feel safer. The DWA Car that stops at the DWA Area is supposed to have a operator on board. Now on the Subway there is a operator in the middle of the train. In the RT. The Operator is in the Front of the Train. So It is semi computer controled.

Also the only thing he can do otherwise is apply the emergency break. Since it ain't all elevated like the Vancouver SkyTrain and the Detroit People Mover. (Meaning since it ain't elevated it has the possibility of people walking along the rails) And they have mainly crowding problems because they don't have enough RT Cars.

[metalangel]

I once went down to Metro Hall to research for a school project on the Downsview extension, and read the proposal for the Sheppard Subway - they actually considered at grade, below grade (in a trench), above grade (elevated) and dedicated right of way (like the Harbourfront line) streetcars, instead of a subway.

Very similar to what happened with the RT - it was going to be a dedicated right of way streetcar line, but political agendas took hold and it was instead used to demonstrate the ICT cars (and it worked, look how many places bought them). Except - the cars were unreliable, they're too small and there's not enough of them to cope with the demand, changing trains at Kennedy is a pain, the infrastructure isn't design to handle the bigger Mk2 ICT cars, and it's just a load of crap. (I used to love riding it when I was a kid, mind you)

So, from what I've read, the TTC has to either restart production of the old Mk1 cars, reshape the route to hold the Mk2s, scrap them and convert it for streetcars, or do some MAJOR work at somehow convert it to use subway cars.

Talk about shortsighted!

[Breeze646]

Yeah I'm ether for these options:

3rd one I like: Expanding the Subway
2nd one I like: Buying the new Mk 2 cars.
1st and most I like: Restarting production on the Mk 1 cars because they look more modern. And I like em.

If they do expand the subway this is what they should do since I think it would be more practicle.

Okay first get rid of the RT Platform at Kennedy. Have the Subway turn and go above ground.
Then widen the tracks since the Subway tracks are wider then the RT. Expand the Stations along the RT so there as long as a Subway Station.

That's would be the best in my opion. Atlest you can do something with the Tracks since they would abandon them. Also would be cheaper then building tunnels where they don't need em.

Anyway if they do build tunnels they would probably do the Cut and Cover above the RT Tracks. So they would be taking em up anyway.

Here's the resion I want the RT to stay the way it is.
First off it's painted just like the TTC Buses. Making it's appearance stay beter (Only way I'll fully support the subway expansion is if they paint the subway cars in the TTC Scheme instead of the lame silver). Secondly I love these trains. And Most Important, AFAIK It's probably cheaper to restart production of the vehicles.

[metalangel]

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I'm old enough to remember the RT opening, and it was a big deal at the time... it also made it a lot easier to go shopping at Scarborough Town Centre as opposed to Fairview or Yorkdale. I rode it when it was brand new, and I also rode the Harbourfront line when it opened (when it still used PCC cars)

Thing is, I think converting the RT to use the subway cars would not be cost effective. The cars are bigger and heavier, which would mean enlarging and strengthening a lot of the RT's infrastructure.

The RT isn't actually painted like the TTC buses, the TTC buses are painted like the RT! It was always that colour, ever since it opened, back when almost half the TTC buses were still in the old Maroon and Gold livery.

Painting subway cars is not a very common thing, as stainless steel is a very good material and doesn't need as much maintenance or cleaning as a painted surface (especially if it was mostly white, as the surface vehicles are - think of all the filth and dirt it would pick up in the tunnels! Trains on the London Underground are mostly white and they have to be constantly scrubbed to stop them looking tatty).

Whatever they do, it'll be interesting.

[Breeze646]

Well as I said in my previous post. AFAIK Restarting Production is probably the cheapest but as you said, What ever they do is going to be interesting.

[Plastikman]

Painting subway cars is not a very common thing, as stainless steel is a very good material and doesn't need as much maintenance or cleaning as a painted surface (especially if it was mostly white, as the surface vehicles are - think of all the filth and dirt it would pick up in the tunnels! Trains on the London Underground are mostly white and they have to be constantly scrubbed to stop them looking tatty).

Whatever they do, it'll be interesting.

Stainless is also very easy to clean graffiti off of. to remove graffiti from a painted car = repainting the car. trying to spot remove it will remove the cars base paint also. chicago just recently removed all painted parts of cars (i think it was actually a sticker covering the whole upper 1/2 of the car) to go to an all stainless body. they are now removing stickers (stripes and stuff) off the cars for that reason once they get fouled up. it is a shame, i like cars of color personally. thats why i like 1930-1970's era street/subway cars.

[Breeze646]

What about if they cover the cars with this thing I found in BusRide Magazine. It removes graffiti in like 5 seconds off windows and the body. It basicly puts a protective coating around the stuff and when they wanna clean it, They remove and and apply a new one.

Also it's like invisible.

[Metromaster]

What about if they cover the cars with this thing I found in BusRide Magazine. It removes graffiti in like 5 seconds off windows and the body. It basicly puts a protective coating around the stuff and when they wanna clean it, They remove and and apply a new one.

Also it's like invisible.

Even so. It costs precious dollars which transit companies would rather not spend if they don't have to. So it's used only on the windows.