Swedish Houses [Version 1.1 released 06/06/10]

[SwissFan91]

Minor issue with the recent release... do we know why 'selecting upgrades' in the in-game content downloader will not select Swedish Houses?

[Irwe]

Minor issue with the recent release... do we know why 'selecting upgrades' in the in-game content downloader will not select Swedish Houses?

I have no idea... as?

[as]

Minor issue with the recent release... do we know why 'selecting upgrades' in the in-game content downloader will not select Swedish Houses?

I just tried, it worked for me. So I have no idea either.

[Ammler]

jake, might it be you are mixing manual downloads with bananas downloads?

(if so, just delete all Swedish house sets in openttd/data and keep openttd/content_download/data only)

[Kogut]

Warning, idea: Is it possible to introduce new early houses (1830 -1930) with lower passenger/mail production? That houses can reuse existing graphics.

[Irwe]

Warning, idea: Is it possible to introduce new early houses (1830 -1930) with lower passenger/mail production? That houses can reuse existing graphics.

Well it has been suggested before (more older houses) but it's hard to find out how exactly sweden looked like so long ago. Using the same graphics I have for old ones won't look good imo, it should be buildings from that time. If I do find some nice buildings it would take some while to get them into the game and I have so many other projects at the moment to focus on, but Swedish houses isn't finished! I will continue on it at some point.

[Kogut]

Warning, idea: Is it possible to introduce new early houses (1830 -1930) with lower passenger/mail production? That houses can reuse existing graphics.

Well it has been suggested before (more older houses) but it's hard to find out how exactly sweden looked like so long ago. Using the same graphics I have for old ones won't look good imo, it should be buildings from that time. If I do find some nice buildings it would take some while to get them into the game and I have so many other projects at the moment to focus on, but Swedish houses isn't finished! I will continue on it at some point.

There is no need for new houses graphics. I thought about houses for years 1830-1930 with existing graphics for old houses, but with lower passenger/mail production.

[Irwe]

There is no need for new houses graphics. I thought about houses for years 1830-1930 with existing graphics for old houses, but with lower passenger/mail production.

I could do that but as I said I would wan't to have different graphics for those houses. If people do want to have older houses with lower passenger/mail generation they could just modify the swe houses grf. It's GPL so anybody could use/change whatever they wan't with this set as long as theire grf is released under GPL aswell.

[planetmaker]

There is no need for new houses graphics. I thought about houses for years 1830-1930 with existing graphics for old houses, but with lower passenger/mail production.

I could do that but as I said I would wan't to have different graphics for those houses. If people do want to have older houses with lower passenger/mail generation they could just modify the swe houses grf. It's GPL so anybody could use/change whatever they wan't with this set as long as theire grf is released under GPL aswell.

Sure they could. But indeed Kogut's suggestion is a good one. A general game balance problem in the early years is the generation of mail and passengers which is way over the top of what the vehicles in that time span can reasonably transport. Besides, it is not so much a complicated change to the NFO, but it still will add quite a few lines; it should probably be feasable by a conditional statement after all standard houses are declared; houses with special features could well be left out without much detriment.

[supermop]

but it's hard to find out how exactly sweden looked like so long ago

I don't think this would be actually that difficult, as it would not need to be comprehensive, representing all types across all ages. As with all house sets, it would only be a representative sample. It would be pretty easy to find examples of a few scandinavian houses each from the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. With some research, I'm sure you could get enough examples specific to the part of Sweden you are wanting to represent. Of course, there is a difference between being possible, and you having the time and desire to do it... I'd be happy to use my background to help in this respect if you'd like.

Outside of Copenhagen, there is a park containing preserved examples of houses built between about 1200 and 1900, moved there from all over Denmark, including parts of northern Germany and southern Sweden. I'd be interested to see if Sweden has a similar institution for preserving historical buildings (many countries do). It might be difficult to accurately represent swedish villages in say, 1500, but I am sure that 1800 should be acheivable.


Of course, the question is, do you want to include houses like this in your .grf, or would your time be better spent on other things. You seem to have your hands full with other parts of the swedish project, and I am not completely sure that older houses are urgently needed for the Swedish house grf.

Anyway, great work so far, and I will be interested to see how you decide to approach this issue. Again, If you want some help from an architect on the matter, or just want someone else to do the legwork of the research for you, let me know and I will do what I can.

Best,

[Irwe]

I don't think this would be actually that difficult, as it would not need to be comprehensive, representing all types across all ages. As with all house sets, it would only be a representative sample. It would be pretty easy to find examples of a few scandinavian houses each from the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. With some research, I'm sure you could get enough examples specific to the part of Sweden you are wanting to represent. Of course, there is a difference between being possible, and you having the time and desire to do it... I'd be happy to use my background to help in this respect if you'd like.

Outside of Copenhagen, there is a park containing preserved examples of houses built between about 1200 and 1900, moved there from all over Denmark, including parts of northern Germany and southern Sweden. I'd be interested to see if Sweden has a similar institution for preserving historical buildings (many countries do). It might be difficult to accurately represent swedish villages in say, 1500, but I am sure that 1800 should be acheivable.


Of course, the question is, do you want to include houses like this in your .grf, or would your time be better spent on other things. You seem to have your hands full with other parts of the swedish project, and I am not completely sure that older houses are urgently needed for the Swedish house grf.

Anyway, great work so far, and I will be interested to see how you decide to approach this issue. Again, If you want some help from an architect on the matter, or just want someone else to do the legwork of the research for you, let me know and I will do what I can.

Best

Thanks you supermop and yes it would be possible with the right research and I have to agree with people that some realy old houses would fit this set nicely. But as you said I actually have A LOT of other projects going on at the moment so the Swedish houses are one a "break". When time comes around I'll happily start working on older houses and all help is welcome.

[XMJ]

Just a short question:
How do you manage to get the roads from TTRS without adding its buildings? Do I need the TTRSv3 with parameters or what? (If I need it, please give me a working download link, as I do only have the alpha version of it and the author's page is offline)

I tried
a) loading only the SweHouses Set --> beautiful swedish houses, but standard roads
b) loading TTRSv3a, then SweHouses --> TTRSv3 roads, but most of the swedish buildings disappear
c) loading SweHouses, then TTRSv3a --> same effect as before ^^


Please help!

Thanks in advance!

[planetmaker]

there's no way unless you modify the SE houses and add the TTRS roads. But then you could just extract the TTRS roads and put them separately into a newgrf - which would make it much more versatile.

[XMJ]

there's no way unless you modify the SE houses and add the TTRS roads. But then you could just extract the TTRS roads and put them separately into a newgrf - which would make it much more versatile.

Well -- as one can see in the screenshots (1st post in this thread), such a GRF seems to exist already. Maybe someone could upload it here...?

[planetmaker]

there's no way unless you modify the SE houses and add the TTRS roads. But then you could just extract the TTRS roads and put them separately into a newgrf - which would make it much more versatile.

Well -- as one can see in the screenshots (1st post in this thread), such a GRF seems to exist already. Maybe someone could upload it here...?

The first posting in this thread shows default roads which are part of the OpenGFX base set.

[SwissFan91]

Also featured in this thread somewhere is the European Roadset, you might be thinking that is TTRS.

[FooBar]

The first posting in this thread shows default roads which are part of the OpenGFX base set.

are they?

[planetmaker]

The first posting in this thread shows default roads which are part of the OpenGFX base set.

are they?

Granted, I only looked at the temperate ones. The snowy ones are IIRC Irwe's creations.

[Irwe]

Just a short question:
How do you manage to get the roads from TTRS without adding its buildings? Do I need the TTRSv3 with parameters or what? (If I need it, please give me a working download link, as I do only have the alpha version of it and the author's page is offline)

As everyone already said such a grf doesn't exist and if I'm not misstaken I think that person has TTRS and Swedish houses loaded but TTRS buildings start at a sertain date but the Swe houses start at year 0 so he could be playing before any TTRS buildings actually appear.

But not to worry. The planned Swedish roads will be verry similair to TTRS roads and are in developement.

The snowy ones are IIRC Irwe's creations.

Actually no, those are just the snow roads from NA roads . But I do have my own snow roads in developement.

[Irwe]

I have long thought about making some changes to my houses and I now finaly started on it. The first thing I've like to do is to change some of the old town houses to have more variety. Below are an example of the bright old town house building.

I also want to replace the strange looking flats building I drew to have more old flats. Something like the old "landshövdingehus" in Gothenburg will probably be a good replacement.

If you have any other wish or something you think looks wrong graphically with the set feel free to share.