The 2ccSet: The Trains of the World in 2cc (Alpha available)

[DJ Nekkid]

aye, in the old scheme did the running cost were 18k/year, new is 36k/year

Perhaps one of the unfortunate engines

[Purno]

I'm just playing the august 14th version with passenger-destinations, and I must comment: I barely use MUs since engines with coaches got cheaper running cost. Especially the additional running costs for MU wagons make me not-use MUs, which I consider as a bad thing.

Btw, in the august 14th version I can't add anything behind the Dm7 railbus (not even a second railbus)

[DJ Nekkid]

in the newest version are the MU running costs turned down a good deal

Here is a general overview in new vs old running costs:

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Engine			NEW	OLD	% Change
2200 EMU (Electric)	£7 879	£10 507	-25,0 %
4041 (Electric)		£2 996	£3 624	-17,3 %
594 TRD (Diesel)	£8 821	£8 169	 8,0 %
811 DMU (Diesel)	£5 624	£6 056	-7,1 %
BDVmot (Electric) 	£29 083	£16 073	 80,9 %
BM65 (Electric)		£2 897	£4 016	-27,9 %
BM73 (Electric)		£11 181	£13 571	-17,6 %
BM93 (Diesel)		£7 232	£12 086	-40,2 %
BR Class 168 (Diesel)	£8 828	£12 235	-27,8 %
Cargo Sprinter (Diesel)	£7 053	£8 150	-13,5 %
DDAR (Electric)		£41 208	£31 030	 32,8 %
EMU 680 (Electric)	£11 866	£10 765	 10,2 %
ET 420 (Electric)	£5 255	£8 412	-37,5 %
ETR 200 (Electric)	£6 597	£5 955	 10,8 %
ETR500 (Electric)	£101388	£173808	-41,7 %
HSA (Electric)		£18 816	£16 308	 15,4 %
Hunter Railcar (Diesel)	£8 899	£13 369	-33,4 %
ICE-3 (Electric)	£22 608	£21 917	 3,2 %
ICM (Electric)		£6 937	£7 536	-7,9 %
Lint 41 (Diesel)	£6 233	£9 170	-32,0 %
Mat24 (Electric)	£3 599	£4 933	-27,0 %
OSCars (Electric)	£6 314	£8 435	-25,1 %
Plan Y (Electric)	£5 107	£5 441	-6,1 %
radbe510 (Electric)	£5 288	£9 751	-45,8 %
rbde560 (Electric)	£6 020	£9 959	-39,6 %
Sm2 (Electric)		£4 843	£4 341	 11,6 %
Sm4 (Electric)		£7 571	£8 324	-9,0 %
TGV Atlantique		£127178	£184924	-31,2 %
TGV Duplex		£131437	£184924	-28,9 %
TGV Thalys		£127199	£184924	-31,2 %
VT 612  (Diesel)	£9 537	£8 648	 10,3 %
X2000 (Electric)	£61 314	£47 451	 29,2 %
Y2 DMU (Diesel)		£10 002	£12 335	-18,9 %

edit:
and now your railbus can connect to itself

[Scautura]

Here's a few bugs for you (I don't currently have screenshots, my machine's being a pain when it comes to taking shots):

Using PBI+Brick, TTRS, "latest" (24/08/2008 19:46) 2cc (Full grfs see below, binary is the cargodest binary posted here

* Dm7 will not pick up any cargo (listed as refittable to "All but Oil, Lumber, Plastic, Clay, Fuel Oil, Gravel", I don't think it's meant to be refittable to anything more than mail?)
* Livestock (short) vertical orientation has a white line at the bottom (both up and down, it's only got 4 directional sprites?)
* Hopper (short) vertical orientation has a white line at the bottom, while carrying coal and grain (I'd assume other as well) (This is "outside" the bounding box? It's not flush with the hopper... I'll fight for a screenie with that one) Edit: Heading down has the gap (as shown below) - heading up has the white line flush with the hopper.
* VT133 will not allow you to attach anything to it (even itself), but says "Use Pax MU/Express Wagons"
* DLR (assuming Docklands Light Railway) should be much later than 1950s... Somewhere like late 80s early 90s? I'll look it up.

Otherwise, I'm enjoying it so far. I've only got to 1955, so I'll get back to you if I find any more.

Scautura

Notes: Screenshot below is of the hopper carrying grain. GRFs as below:

OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newEyeCandy_v0.2.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newFonts_-_Newspaper_Fonts_v0.1.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newFonts_-_Small_Fonts_v0.1.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newGUI_v0.2.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newIndustries_v0.5.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newInfrastructure_v0.4.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newlandscape_v0.3.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newTerrain_v0.4.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newVehicles_-_Rail_v0.3.grf
OpenGFX_pack_v0.0.2\OpenGFX_-_newVehicles_-_Road_v0.1.grf
pb_av8w.grf
newshipsw.grf
buffers.grf
egrvts.grf
pikkindw(2).grf
pikbrikw.grf
TTRS3w.grf
metro.grf
2ccdj.grf

[FooBar]

* DLR (assuming Docklands Light Railway) should be much later than 1950s... Somewhere like late 80s early 90s? I'll look it up.

The DLR opened August 31, 1987

[DJ Nekkid]

Here's a few bugs for you (I don't currently have screenshots, my machine's being a pain when it comes to taking shots):

Using PBI+Brick, TTRS, "latest" (24/08/2008 19:46) 2cc (Full grfs see below, binary is the cargodest binary posted here

* Dm7 will not pick up any cargo (listed as refittable to "All but Oil, Lumber, Plastic, Clay, Fuel Oil, Gravel", I don't think it's meant to be refittable to anything more than mail?)
* Livestock (short) vertical orientation has a white line at the bottom (both up and down, it's only got 4 directional sprites?)
* Hopper (short) vertical orientation has a white line at the bottom, while carrying coal and grain (I'd assume other as well) (This is "outside" the bounding box? It's not flush with the hopper... I'll fight for a screenie with that one) Edit: Heading down has the gap (as shown below) - heading up has the white line flush with the hopper.
* VT133 will not allow you to attach anything to it (even itself), but says "Use Pax MU/Express Wagons"
* DLR (assuming Docklands Light Railway) should be much later than 1950s... Somewhere like late 80s early 90s? I'll look it up.

Otherwise, I'm enjoying it so far. I've only got to 1955, so I'll get back to you if I find any more.

Please do!

DM7: correct, and i bet most other railbusses have the same as well...
* All short wagons have 8 directions
* VT133: i _think_ that one was fixed last night, but im not 100% sure...

* DLR (assuming Docklands Light Railway) should be much later than 1950s... Somewhere like late 80s early 90s? I'll look it up.

The DLR opened August 31, 1987

I'll implement just that That stat were missing ... along with the rest, exept speed

[FooBar]

Alright. Then I have to ask first what kind of stock is drawn. There's the 1987 P stock and the 1991 B stock

The 1991 B stock has the following details:
Length : 28 m
Width : 2.65 m
Height : 3.47 m
Weight : 36 tonnes
Seats
total : 70
Pairs : 12
longitudinal : 42
tip-up : 4
Capacity : 284 passengers
Maximum speed : 80 km/h
Wheels
New : 740 mm
Min. : 680 mm

Info on the original P stock is harder to find...
- Each had a seating capacity for 84 people (210 standing)
I guess speed would have been the same for both versions, als they were used together for a period of time.

Note: this information applies to a 2-car articulated consist!

[Scautura]

* VT133: i _think_ that one was fixed last night, but im not 100% sure...

Well, I'm using the latest available version from the 2cc website - that's the version that gave me these issues (I've checked - if I try to download a new version, it's identical - same time, same CRC, same everything)

I've got to 1962 and the large/long versions of trailers don't seem to have any issues (as far as I can see).
I'll crash test the Dm7 and VT133 again (errr, not crash, I don't want my passengers dying!) and see if I can get it to do the same again.
Edit: Yup, still the same

Scautura

[DJ Nekkid]

The DM7 dont work as well? i.e. they cannot attach to itself?

[Scautura]

The Dm7 will attach to itself, it just never picks up passengers. Which is rather unfortunate for a passenger train.

If I try the 479 and VT133, they both pick up passengers, but will not allow anything (even themselves) to be attached to them (from the way they look in game, I would have thought that VT133 would allow another VT133 in reverse, and the 479 would allow other 479s to be attached - I have no real world experience and haven't seen pictures of them though so I may be entirely wrong)

Additional: Pictures I've seen seem to show the VT133 as being "double ended" - i.e. having a nose on each end. Given that, I'm going to stick by my earlier comments about expecting it to allow two, back to back, given that the in game version is "single ended".

Scautura

[cmoiromain]

I have encountered a problem with the set:

using Openttd, once I have autorenewed the tgv atlantique to a tgv duplex, it won't accept any passenger. I have to sell the whole train and rebuild it for it to work.

Another thing, that was already pointed out earlier, the nose of the TGV duplex is too 'steep'... It should look just like either the thalys or the atlantique one, since only those two models exist (a third one for the eurostar, but this one doesn't count...)

[Scautura]

More bugs for you:

* The ET420 is too far left - it doesn't line up correctly and hangs over the left hand side of the buy/list menu (see below)
* The Radbe 510 has a random line on the left hand side that shows up to the left of the buy/list menu, and also shows (clearer) in the news of a new train (see below)

The picture has been blown up to 300% to show the second issue better. I still can't figure out how to get the Dm7 to pick up passengers - I changed to a different version of OTTD (this one) and still no luck. I'll try again with vanilla OTTD nightly.

Scautura (I feel like I'm being a nudge)

[DJ Nekkid]

well, i know why the railbus wont pick up pax, and i'll fix it at the first occation, im a but busy the next days, but i'll get it done asap i know what the problem is tho Should be easy to fix

[FooBar]

..bugs...

I bet that second bug is a side effect of the first one...

[Scautura]

..bugs...

I bet that second bug is a side effect of the first one...

Uhhh, nope... Although I do understand why you'd say that - it does "stick" when you scroll, but that extra line of pixels is attached to the Radbe 510, not the ET420.

It shows up in the news for a new train as well (see below, also 300%). I noticed it there first (was lucky to get a screeny) and tried to reproduce it in the buy/list menu. It has a tendency to not show up in the list, especially with the ET420 next to it.

Scautura

[FooBar]

I'm lucky I didn't put money on that bet

[NekoMaster]

Hey, How come when I tried to use this, I didnt get more then 20 trains even in the 2005, I have no other Train Stes and Ive tried this with no grfs but this on and i still got the same, is OpenTTD at fault? or is the grf?

Are you using OpenTTD 0.6.* version?

If so, you must use a nightly version..

http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/files/O ... r14127.zip

thanks, although your link was busted (since their cleaning up the site) i still managed to get a nightly : D
And now I can load more then one Train Set at a time!!! WEE!!!

[goremaniac]

Hi, Based upon reply by DJ Nekkid, I am posting here link to the topic Indian Trains/Engines.

I better not recopy the zipfiles and word doc.

Purno:-
It is very difficult for me to tell which enignes you need or do not. If you open the Word Document, it has all details about engines in tabular form. All the rows in Bold are engines which are manufactured in India.

Steam engines where also manufactured in India, but apparently it was generally in collaboration with UK/USA industries.

If you need any more details regarding engines or photos, please let me know.

Cheers
Abhijit Gore

Link to Indian Train/Engines:- http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 30#p722030

[Purno]

Abjihit,

Could you perhaps identify which engines are/were used a lot or were historically remarkable so I can give those a higher priority? I still haven't had time to look to your files unfortunately, as I'm pretty busy with Real Life. If you could link me to images online or attach only a few images, that'd get my preference.

Thanks in advance,
Mark/Purno

[goremaniac]

Purno,

I will try creating Excel sheet of most commonly used train engines, with their details and photos. I will also add info about some steam engines, like Darjeeling Himalayan Railways engines which has been declared World Heritage and engines are working since 1909 and also some other popular steam engines info.

I will need couple of days to collate all that info in one Excel Sheet.

Cheers
Abhijit