Dutch Road Furniture Development

[FooBar]

According to this you guys have all of these signs. Only the blue one-way street entry sign is narrower than ours. The rest is essentially the same. The minor design differences can't be visualized in 5x5 pixels anyways.

The four signs depicted are:
- give way
- speed limit
- one-way street: no entry
- one-way street entry

[Eddi]

IMHO the speed limit sign looks a little weird, looks like a white vertical bar. maybe it's more useful to try a white circle with a black dot in it.

[FooBar]

Yeah, I'm not too happy with that one either. I tried to put two numbers in, but it's really hard to get right with very little pixels. And my patience with this sort of stuff isn't too great

[Leanden]

I might look at making some Motorway start and motorway stop signs too

[FooBar]

I had those in mind as well, don't know how feasible these are in TTD scale. I'll give it a go when I'm retrying the speed limit sign.

[FooBar]

Actually I'm surprized what one can do with very limited pixels
Obviously these are the Dutch versions. Also shows the improved speed limit signs.

[Leanden]

Are the end of hard shoulder signs put there by default at the end of a hard shoulder section?

How about a blue "Hard Shoulder Ends" sign for the UK Road Support?

[FooBar]

Are the end of hard shoulder signs put there by default at the end of a hard shoulder section?

They are standard, but I'm considering a version without the signs.

How about a blue "Hard Shoulder Ends" sign for the UK Road Support?

Draw them. If they fit in the same dimensions as the Dutch ones it's not too problematic to add them to the branch. If they don't fit, draw them as well and I'll them when I feel like it Spritesheet is attached.

[Leanden]

Fitting them within that space won't be an issue, however, in the UK there is just 1 sign, instead of the two which you drew ;D

[FooBar]

Removing one of the two signs won't be an issue
Just let me know which one of the two you'd like removed. I.e. the near one or the far one.

[Leanden]

It would be the near one

Also, would there be any chance of getting the m'way start and end signs on hard shoulder end pieces, and then having the adjacent tile checker detect that tile and remove the end of hard shoulder sign. Since more often than not, the hard shoulder will end with the motorway

Also the reverse, as sometimes a motorway ends but doesnt remove the hard shoulder ;D

I know its a bit more work, but just to cover all possibilities

[FooBar]

You mean something like this?

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That has nothing fancy with the tile checker, it's just a new object. Maybe easier to use as well, as tile checker stuff requires you to always have two tiles. Now you can just have one

A continuing hard shoulder with these signs (obviously without the end of hard shoulder signs in that case) is certainly possible, but I personally don't find that really necessary. If you plan on keeping a hard shoulder you may just as well keep it classified as motorway. So I rather spend my time on some other things at the moment



As for the UK signs support, I just realized that with the current add-on format we'll run into some problems. Mainly that it cannot detect the objects of the main set. As a result, if I were to add shoulder end pieces with UK signs, they will not be able to detect the hard shoulders of the main set in order to select start/end accordingly. There simply is no variable to do that; one can only query object IDs from the same set.

That leaves basically two solutions: include the UK signs in the main set or fork the complete set and make a standalone UK Road Furniture after all. The first solution will not happen; it's a Dutch set and it will stay that way. The second solution is not something I fancy maintaining; the current set eats enough of my time as it is already. Investing half of that additionally to maintain what is basically the same thing with some different signs is not something I'm really interested in. So I'm afraid that you either have to learn NML yourself or find someone to maintain a UK inspired fork of this. Or live with the fact that the signs are somewhat different then what you're used to

[Leanden]

Yep i did mean like that, hmm... I could maintain a seperate fork, it'd be a nice way to get into NML too. You have left and right hand drive coded already right? As well as the UK road support?

[FooBar]

Everything coded so far has left/right and UK Roads support throughout.

If you need help setting up the fork then I can help you with that, but once that's running it's up to you. And you're always free to ask questions about the code if you don't get something.
May I recommend you to first understand the NML tutorial and mainly the part on objects?

[Leanden]

Ive already had a readthrough of the NML tutorials, so i have a basic understanding, have coded some trains too. I would ask though, if I was to set up a fork of yours, any further updates you implemented, would i be ok to port these across to the UK version?

[FooBar]

It's GPL'ed, so as long as your version is GPL'ed as well you're free to do whatever you like. That includes porting future additions.
However it may not be a bad idea to wait until version 1.0.0. At this rate that will be done in a month or so, and forking that will mean less to no porting of new stuff afterwards.

You can see what I plan to add before the final release of 1.0.0 at the issue tracker: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dut ... ure/issues

But if you want to start now, that's fine with me as well

[Leanden]

Well as far as i can see atm, as long as I only change the graphics used, then the code can remain relatively untouched. So just updating the pnml files shouldnt be an issue. Will just need some minor changes, such as changing the end of hard shoulder sign to 1 instead of two

[FooBar]

All graphic files are referenced at the top of each pnml file, so that's easy.
And removing one of the two highway end signs is nothing more than removing 48 building blocks like the one below.

Code: Select all

building {
        sprite: spriteset_vluchtstrook_4(SIGNS_START + 0);
        always_draw: 0;
        xoffset: 7; //from NE edge
        yoffset: 2; //from NW edge
        zoffset: 12;
        xextent: 1;
        yextent: 1;
        zextent: 16;
    }

So everything is relatively straightforward, only timeconsuming.

[FooBar]

36 new sprites and 7281 lines of code later and you get this:

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I still have to do left side drive support as well as draw endings to the guardrails, but it's a start. Available in tomorrow's nightly if you can't wait
It supports any slope combination.

@Leanden: if you want to do UK Roads support for this, the sprite sheets for both left and right side drive are attached. Feel free to draw the endings to UK standards, as that will best match the UK roads anyways.

[oberhümer]

Goody. Mind putting my name in there too? I don't know how much you've taken over, but I still made the beginning.