I don't have the specific conversation handy at present, but I set out my plan for a unified wiki, and he told me he had no objections.michael blunck wrote:Could you please document what Josef definitely agreed to? From my conversations with him, it was still undecided how to proceed in detail.
It would appear that there is no specific licence assigned to the TTDPatch wiki, but much of the content was originally provided with TTDPatch (manual, NFO specs), and would de-facto be GPL. As such, as long as the original authors are credited (which is the case - the revision history has been entirely imported), there is nothing legally to stop the pages being moved across to the new wiki.michael blunck wrote:Apart from that, it´s not sufficient to get only Josef´s agreement to "use" the former TTDPatch Wiki content as you like. Instead, you´d need the agreement of the various content authors. And personally, I do not agree to get my input taken over into that "new Wiki". In consequence, all that input has to be removed from it ASAP.
Now, your own ECS pages may be a different story, as they begun as an original work that wasn't part of TTDPatch originally. In which case, they can be removed if you insist. You can set up your own TikiWiki somewhere with them on, if you don't want to be part of the unified wiki. The TTDPatch wiki is remaining read-only, though, and eventually will be discontinued completely, assuming things are brought up-to-scratch on the current wiki. (I've begun work on the TTDPatch manual already.)
Well, integration with the OpenTTD wiki isn't decided yet, but at the very least, having it using the same software would make that much easier in the future. It's just not happening right now. It would be nice in the future, and it may yet happen.michael blunck wrote:In fact, I am strongly against "cannibalizing" the former TTDPatch Wiki for no good reason. Especially, because your project did not turn out to be that "grand solution" (i.e. including the OTTD Wikis) discussed in the beginning. In fact, now it´s just "the Emperor´s new clothes" w/o any improvement, but even worse.
There was discussion amongst OpenTTD users about taking the NFO specification and moving it to a new home, porting it to MediaWiki or another piece of software, due to frustrations with the current setup. I volunteered to host it as part of the TT Wiki plan that had been discussed previously. If I hadn't done this, they'd have gone ahead and copied it anyway, and potentially there'd now be two conflicting sources for the NFO specifications. Hardly a good outcome, I'm sure you'd agree.
Perhaps the reason they've not contributed to the TTDPatch wiki is due to the fact it's using a relatively little-used, out-dated piece of software? I imagine just about everybody here has used Wikipedia, or the OpenTTD wiki, and I'm sure a significant number of people are more comfortable working with MediaWiki than with TikiWiki.michael blunck wrote:I personally don´t like the MediaWiki style, and many of the once mentioned shortcomings of TikiWiki had been repaired during the last couple of months, e.g. the missing support for translations. So now, there´s no reason to destroy a functioning project just for the reason of "unifying" it with a totally insignificant other project (your obsolete "TTD Wiki").
In the last couple of weeks, much work has been put into (ECS) translations, and I am totally against this being "stolen" by another project. In the end, it´s the opinion of the original content authors which is of relevance here. It´s not the opinion of random posters in this thread, which have never contributed one line of text to the TTDPatch Wiki.
The translations are perhaps an issue, but there are ways of doing that in MediaWiki. All your old content is, of course, still accessible on the TTDPatch wiki until such time as we can figure out what to do with it, if anything, on the new wiki.
Write access is not going to be enabled at the present moment. Having two wikis getting out of sync with each other will not help anyone. Active work is being done on the NewGRF wiki to bring things up to scratch.michael blunck wrote: - writable access to the TTDPatch Wiki for keeping it alive. In case you´re not willing to host the current TTDPatch Wiki anymore, the release of the data base to set up that Wiki on another server in its current form,
If you decide you're not wanting to have your ECS pages migrated over, then I imagine it'll be possible to remove all the pages that *have* been migrated, and leave you with the ECS pages to do with as you will. I can also provide an export dump of the ECS pages.
As far as I can tell, that's the ECS pages, and the Railway Dictionary?michael blunck wrote:- removal of all my input in your "new Wiki".