[Univ] GRVTS (v1.4) and [OTTD] eGRVTS (v1.0)

[Zephyris]

Lol, you are crazy! Enjoy those horses and carts!

[DanMacK]

I've started a game in 1800, and I've been plotting some 1800 era industries for the North American Industry Set as well. Maybe we'll backdate them to 1700

There's just something about watching a slow-paced horse wagon hauling goods, no rush, no loud noises, just casual and relaxed.

Never thought I'd describe TTD as a relaxing game... lol

[Wuis]

Anyhow you might want to look at the TFB vixen with hopper trailer cause the sprite does seem to be wrong for me atleast , if you havn't already done so.

and for example the "prime extra 3 car passenger tram has a listed capacity of 95 but once you buy it and check it shows a capicty of 145,
same with the other multiple car passenger trams, for me atleast. not a really big bug but still.

Also the steam cars seem to go incredibly slow compared to horses I suppose this is intended but at 6km/hour they're not really usefull as horses are faster and can in some cases even carry more and cost less in upkeep and buy cost.

Also maybe allow the covered horse drawn carriage to be refitted to mail as it seems you can't move any mail till the 1900's

Great work otherwise having a lot of fun with my horsies, Anyone know if articulated vehicles will ever be able to overtake other things?

[zde-nek]

hi, new version of set is great! can´t wait to play it together with new 1800´s NARS trains and with new ship, also appearing in 1700 (together with cheaper canals, less industry production, more benevolent rating and smaller amount of passengers and version of passenger destinations with short distance preference until 1850 - oh sorry, i´m dreaming )

new tramway graphics with trolley wires appearing after first electric tram is introduced would be nice

[Zephyris]

Wuis, what are your patch settings? Even with "vehicles never expire" I can't get the TFB vixen or the prime extra... I'm confused!

[Wuis]

I've got never expire on, Then I create a game set in 2080 and they are there... I don't know if they appear normally with never expire on never tried

[Zephyris]

Ah, got it - vehicles never expire must have a separate check to normal to see which vehicles should be available, which is a bit strange! I have confirmed your tram capacity and the TFB vixen bugs, I'll have a look!

[Wuis]

Very nice, now lets hope they'll add a those features to make this grf work like its supposed to.
Good luck and Thanks.

[Roujin]

I've noticed that the horse carriages have the "refittable" option activated despite having no real option available (other than their default).
Could it be that you've just enabled refitting for all your vehicles, and it was on purpose? Then just ignore me

Also, there are some early trams that have a capacity of 0:

• Carter's Steam Passenger Tram
• Altwin Steam Cargo Tram
• Altwin Steam Passenger Tram
• Wheeler's Steam Cargo Tram

Furthermore, the following Cargo Trams show part cargo, part passenger in the "buy vehicle" window, despite transporting cargo only, of course.

• Floss 72 2 Car Cargo Tram
• AH Impact 3 Car Cargo Tram
• Progress 4 Car Cargo Tram
• AH Star 4 Car Cargo Tram

That's basically all the articulated Cargo Trams.

Now a more general request/proposition: Try to not apply names that end with numbers to multi car trams. Things like "Floss 72 2 Car Cargo Tram" are rather unreadable.

Excuse me for this rather long list of "complaints", please do not get the feeling that I dislike this set, I do like it very much, and as a little present and as a teaser for the ones that are NOT trying this out right NOW, this is what you're missing out:
(complete list sorted by date of introduction)

[Zephyris]

Excellent comments, don't worry about offending me, I like constructive criticism!

*edit* oh and another articulated vehicle bug has been fixed - dragging an articulated vehicle with a shortened front vehicle to the trashcan in the depot window now works correctly. I reccomend the latest nightly!

[Zephyris]

Beta 2
Fixed bugs:
Hopper steam traction engine names
Steam tram capacities
Articulated tram capacities in buy menu
First three armoured truck names
"TFB Vixen" graphics
All tram sound effects
Added inverted commas around numbers in tram names

Known issues:
Steam trams (cargo and passenger) both have the incorrect graphics
Short vehicles are not actually short (ie. behave as a full length vehicle)

Compatibility:
Only compatible with the latest OpenTTD nightlies, I recommend r13759 or later.

[LaDoncella]

nice work


however the introduction date on flatbeds trailers seems wrong to me.

the first flatbed trailer appears in 1940,
the other trailers types appear arround 1948

the second flatbed trailer appears in 1950,
the other trailers appear arround 1984

the third flatbed trailer (first long trailer) appears in 1984,
the others trailers around 2009

the fourth flatbed trailer appears in 2022,
the other trailers apears around 2038


edit. just noticed, you used the same dates on non-articulated flatbeds (correct) and trailers ("incorrect")

[wallyweb]

Beta 2
Compatibility:
Only compatible with the latest OpenTTD nightlies, I recommend r13759 or later.

Will you be doing an abreviated (post 1920) version for TTDPatch?

[Zephyris]

The existing (ie. grvts.grf) already covers a significant chunk of 1920 to 2050 and uses all but two of the available vehicle IDs. I will keep maintaining this version of the grf as an "abreviated" version for use with TTDPatch. Is that what you mean?

however the introduction date on flatbeds trailers seems wrong to me.

Wow, good spot! I think you are right.

[Wuis]

I think the horse trams have the wrong names... it says they have 2 and 4 horses, but the 2 horses is acctually a 1 horse version and the 4 horses is acctually a 2 horse version.

[DanMacK]

The intro dates of the flatbed trailers seem to be more reasonable IMO, possiblt move the 1950 intro to about 1955/60 and backdate the other trucks to match the flatbeds?

[Roujin]

There's a little balance thing I just spotted...

In later years, there are the normal, and double decker trams.
Usually, the double decker ones provide more capacity, for a tradeoff in all of the other stats (speed, cost, running cost) compared to a normal tram.

But a problem is the transistion to two-part articulated trams, because the first two-part normal (as in not double decker) tram is introduced in 1973, whereas in 1983, another one-part double decker tram is introduced.
I'm speaking of the "Floss '51'" and the "Stanley 'T4'".

If you compare them directly, the first one has better stats in all categories, so when ten years later the new one is introduced, why should anyone use it and not the old one?

[wallyweb]

The existing (ie. grvts.grf) already covers a significant chunk of 1920 to 2050 and uses all but two of the available vehicle IDs. I will keep maintaining this version of the grf as an "abreviated" version for use with TTDPatch. Is that what you mean?

Yes ... I don't need the horses although they might be fun, but I definitely would like to be able to use the trailers with the short tractors/cabs.

[ostlandr]

I tested eGRVTS briefly. I think I see a way to tighten it up a bit.

For the horses, do something like this: (* = does this require a truck ID?)


Omnibus (bus ID) (2 horses), available 1700, 20 mph, Capacity 10, Refits to: Passengers, Tourists

Wagon (2 horses), available 1700 20 mph Capacity 8, Refits to: all except Passengers, Tourists (different "trailer" graphic as in George's Long Vehicles)

Stagecoach (4 fast horses), available 1750, 25 mph, Capacity 6, Refits to: Passengers, Mail*, Tourists, Valuables*

Dray (4 draft horses) available 1750 20 mph, Capacity 12, Refits to: all but Passengers, Mail, Valuables (different "trailer" graphic as in George's Long Vehicles)

Heavy Dray (6 draft horses), available 1800, 20mph, Capacity 16, Refits to: all but Passengers, Mail, Valuables (different "trailer" graphic as in George's Long Vehicles)

Station Wagon (2 fast horses), available 1830, 25 mph, Capacity 10, Refits to: Passengers, Mail, Valuables*, Goods*

Clydesdale Dray (8 draft horses) available 1850, 20 mph, Capacity 20, Refits to: all but Passengers, Mail, Valuables (different "trailer" graphic as in George's Long Vehicles) {refit to beer gives a 12 horse hitch}

20 mule team (tropic only) available 1870, 20 mph, Capacity 20, Refits to: Coal, Iron Ore, Copper Ore, etc. (open top wagon, refits to match load)

Do the same with the steam traction engines- refit a single vehicle in order to pull wagons with whatever. Make better units available as time goes on.


I was working on this for my American vehicle set, but I gave up in disgust after spending hours trying to draw the sprites for a WW1 era Mack AC truck.

I still have the tracking table around somewhere, for that and the early steam locos I had hoped to draw.

[LaDoncella]

blabla

I like the idea