Dutch Trainset v2.0

MJS · Post by **MJS** » 10 Apr 2006 15:06

What's this Belgian locomotive doing in the Dutch trainset, anyway? It looks cool - don't get me wrong.

Gamble · Post by **Gamble** » 10 Apr 2006 15:09

Right, edited that last line of pixels and made it a little bit darker, looks quite good actually

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SWASTIKA gave me some advice on how to make the pantographs more realistic, and I don't know about you guys but I think these actually look a lot better.
So thanks for the help SWAS!

@MJS: I actually don't know, I noticed the B on the front too, but I reckon it's in it because it rides in Holland? Maybe it's manufactured in Holland?

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 10 Apr 2006 15:15

Gamble wrote:Right, edited that last line of pixels and made it a little bit darker, looks quite good actually .

Yes indeed

Gamble wrote:SWASTIKA gave me some advice on how to make the pantographs more realistic, and I don't know about you guys but I think these actually look a lot better.
So thanks for the help SWAS!

Ah, I recognise those, it's my pantos. Some are wrong tho, perhaps read my EMU tutorial. If you don't get it, I'll explain more detailed.

MJS wrote:What's this Belgian locomotive doing in the Dutch trainset, anyway? It looks cool - don't get me wrong.

Gamble wrote:@MJS: I actually don't know, I noticed the B on the front too, but I reckon it's in it because it rides in Holland? Maybe it's manufactured in Holland?

AFAIK, it used to drive in the Netherlands (like a Benelux train I suspect). We will include non-Dutch trains which drive or drove in the Netherlands, like the current Benelux, ICE, Thalys and some cargo engines.

Scia · Post by **Scia** » 10 Apr 2006 17:15

Those can be seen in the Netherlands too. They can handle the differences in voltage between the Netherlands and Belgium AFAIK. So I think they are used for trading between these two countries. When I still went to Maastricht I saw them there quite often.

Regards,

Scia

Gamble · Post by **Gamble** » 10 Apr 2006 18:40

Right, I changed the colors of the front red lights to a dark red so they seem to be turned off, and the rear white/yellow lights a dark yellow/beige. Removed the light above the cabin window on the rear. Applied some different types of blue on the body, so it doesn't too blue-ish hehe. And changed the way the pantographs were mounted, I mounted them wrong hehe

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If you see something else ready for improvement let me know

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Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 10 Apr 2006 18:51

I think you should try to focus on the rear cabin in / and \ views now, the rest looks good. As you showed with the front cabin, the nose has a rather specific shape. You should see a little more of it.

In the - view you really need to change the wheels. Take a look at any side image from electric engines and pay special attention to the bogies

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nguwland · Post by **nguwland** » 10 Apr 2006 19:47

MJS wrote:What's this Belgian locomotive doing in the Dutch trainset, anyway? It looks cool - don't get me wrong.

This engine, the belgian 25 series can be found on the route Kijfhoek (largest railroad yard in the Netherlands near Dordrecht) and Belgium. They run multiple trains a day.

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 10 Apr 2006 21:07

But before that cargo service the Reeks 25.5 pulled BeNeLux* trains between Amsterdam CS and Brussel CS. They were replaced by modern Reeks 11.8 engines in 1986.

*BeNeLux: Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxemburg, 3 relative small European nations with mutual Belgian borders, signed a treaty to support eachother in Europe. They called this co-operation Be(lgium)Ne(therlands)Lux(emburg).

Gamble · Post by **Gamble** » 11 Apr 2006 13:09

It's hard to create something that looks like the front side on the rear of the / and \ view, but I tried, added 1 pixel on the back, hard to see (again) on that transparent blue, that should look like the vertical front of the nose/rear.

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 11 Apr 2006 14:06

I can't tell which sprite you edited, it seems you only did one. Regardless of your efforts on the nose: you really should make the cabin windows larger.

Gamble · Post by **Gamble** » 11 Apr 2006 14:28

Well, as I said I edited them, meaning all of them, I now include also the ones without the blue around them, so you can see better what it looks like. If you can't see the diagonal side now, I don't know anymore.

Also enlarged the front and rear cabin windows.

SWASTIKA · Post by **SWASTIKA** » 11 Apr 2006 14:35

here's a quick job i did on it last night - only 2 views done so far.. and i was going by a dodgy b&w photo on google - but i think so far it's right

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 11 Apr 2006 14:39

Not bad, Swastika but it looks to round somehow. I'm not sure if these engines were so 'streamlined'.

SWASTIKA · Post by **SWASTIKA** » 11 Apr 2006 15:00

lol, probably my crappy rendering

do you have any links to better pics for me to work off? - btw, are the panto's facing the correct direction? i've seen pics of trains with them either way and i'm not sure which this one is cause the pic i was using couldn't see the roof

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 11 Apr 2006 15:19

This are all the pcitures we were able to find, Swastika: http://users2.tt-forums.net/dutchset/ga ... bs255.html
Perhaps you can try your luck on the European Railroad server.

SWASTIKA · Post by **SWASTIKA** » 11 Apr 2006 15:26

Yeh, thanks.. i found this

Here's an edit - any better now? not as round

that's half the views done - now just got the oppisite sides and ends and we're done

Bastiaan · Post by **Bastiaan** » 11 Apr 2006 19:51

That looks very nice SWASTIKA! I think those colors fit very well with the Benelux coaches I drew once!

EDIT: Could you please make the fronts a bit more diagonal, like you did in your first version?

SWASTIKA · Post by **SWASTIKA** » 11 Apr 2006 23:17

lol, they are diagonal... but i'm trying Purno's idea of being able to see both fronts... if you zoom in on the loco you will notice that the cab windows have been incorporated

if i bring the cab back one pixel like the first pic they look far to round and streamlined... but i'll play with the colouring/shading of the current shape and let you guys decide

SWASTIKA · Post by **SWASTIKA** » 12 Apr 2006 00:08

Bah, i stuffed about too much with the ends and when i changed the colours and shape it looked nothing like the loco in the pics... so here it is finished

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 12 Apr 2006 07:03

This is a difficult engine (again) but I stil think it's too boxy

. How to fix it is another thing though, looking at the various versions I think everything has been tried already. Maybe Bastiaan has a clue, he pulled off the Mat '64 EMU too after all.

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