European Cargo Set (ECS) - PROJECT LEADER NEEDED!

[Saskia]

- Hm, the waggons mostly don't come from a specific country. Sclmmnps is available in most Euro countries.

But liveries do, don't they?
...

Hm, ok ... if a waggon has a non-international livery (not Transwaggon or Railpro or Danzas or one of the gas companies like shell or aral ...), we could write it behind the livery name, like Raiffeisen (D) or DB-Cargo (D)

[Purno]

Hm, ok ... if a waggon has a non-international livery (not Transwaggon or Railpro or Danzas or one of the gas companies like shell or aral ...), we could write it behind the livery name, like Raiffeisen (D) or DB-Cargo (D)

Well the reason why I wrote the Country name in the excel spreadsheet is because we might get enough cars to make more GRFs.

We can devide the cargo carriages in regions like:

1. Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg
2. Germany, Austria, Switserland
3. Great-Brittain, Ireland

or maybe bigger regions like:

1. Western-Europe
2. Eastern-Europe

But we still don't have enough countries.

So request your cargo carriages from all over Europe

It's not necessary that all info in the excel sheet comes in the final GRF.



I've updated the XLS, is it good if I post it at the first post? Then every updated version will be posted there?




Besides that: There are lots of sets under development. Maybe it's an idea to release something as soon as we have something from the European Cargo Set. This could mean that we already start coding some cargo carriages. What do you think about this?

[Saskia]

Regional sets:
Yes, but first we (all set developers from at least all european sets) should make rules which IDs will be used. Example:
IDs 00h - 80h: some engines of your country - in a "base" set.
IDs 80h - ... : additional special purpose engines/carriages of your country/region - in a cargo set or passenger set.

Then you could combine:
NS engines + west european cargo cars and international used freight engines like SBB Re-4/4 460
DB engines + german passenger cars and some additional passenger engines/EMUs/DMUs
PKP engines + east european cargo cars
...

But then everything has to match.

XLS:
Ok

[Purno]

Regional sets:
Yes, but first we (all set developers from at least all european sets) should make rules which IDs will be used. Example:
IDs 00h - 80h: some engines of your country - in a "base" set.
IDs 80h - ... : additional special purpose engines/carriages of your country/region - in a cargo set or passenger set.

But can't we use the IDs of the original TTD Cargo vehicles???



Excel sheet will be uploaded in a few minutes at the first post.

[Saskia]

But can't we use the IDs of the original TTD Cargo vehicles??? ...

No. For the most sets more IDs for engines are needed, than TTD originally has. And don't tell me, you're planning to use only as few IDs as TTD has used for cargo wagons Because you don't know how IDs work: it's mostly the order of vehicles in the buy list. It should be engines, passenger wagons, cargo wagons.

[Purno]

And don't tell me, you're planning to use only as few IDs as TTD has used for cargo wagons Because you don't know how IDs work: it's mostly the order of vehicles in the buy list. It should be engines, passenger wagons, cargo wagons.

Could you do some research about IDs, which IDs we could use. Because as you said, I know nothing about IDs

[Snorbuckle]

Ok, I'll have a go with the Wascosa tankers.

With the final grf, there should be a way to pass arguments to it depending on which liveries you want, i.e. which country set your working with.

[Saskia]

@Purno: As I said, we should discuss this with other set developers first
@Snorbuckle: The set itself has no interest with which other set together it works

[Purno]

@Purno: As I said, we should discuss this with other set developers first

That's what I ment with 'research'


EDIT:
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I've drawn the VAM Compost Car (#17 in spreadsheet). What do you think of it?

BTW: Spreadsheet is updated again.

[Colonel32]

CSD engines + east european cargo cars

I suppose you are only joking... Czech republic and Czechoslovakia is CENTRAL EUROPE, eastern europe start with Poland

in 1938 we were betreyed by France and Great Britain and given to Nazi Germany
in 1945 we were betreyed by the USA and Great Britain and given to the USSR

we might have been under Soviet dictature for 40 years, but we ARE NOT EASTERN EUROPE

Sorry, but I take these things pretty seriously

[Purno]

CSD engines + east european cargo cars

I suppose you are only joking... Czech republic and Czechoslovakia is CENTRAL EUROPE, eastern europe start with Poland

in 1938 we were betreyed by France and Great Britain and given to Nazi Germany
in 1945 we were betreyed by the USA and Great Britain and given to the USSR

we might have been under Soviet dictature for 40 years, but we ARE NOT EASTERN EUROPE

Sorry, but I take these things pretty seriously

I think see ment that if we only have east european cargo cars and west european cargo cars that the east european cargo cars would fit the best for central europe.

[Darkvater]

CSD engines + east european cargo cars

I suppose you are only joking... Czech republic and Czechoslovakia is CENTRAL EUROPE, eastern europe start with Poland

in 1938 we were betreyed by France and Great Britain and given to Nazi Germany
in 1945 we were betreyed by the USA and Great Britain and given to the USSR

we might have been under Soviet dictature for 40 years, but we ARE NOT EASTERN EUROPE

Sorry, but I take these things pretty seriously

me = from Hungary and I totally agree!
I hate it when people call Hungary Eastern Europe

[Purno]

Some people from eastern europe or further away think that the Netherlands and Belgium is the same coutry. I don't care. I don't know all far away countries either. I really don't see the problem.

[Saskia]

What's so bad about eastern Europe? My mother is from Poland, I love the east And if you look on a map, CZ begins "as east as" PL. I didn't know that you are thinking in this way, and don't wanted to make you angry (CSD changed to PKP)
BTW, PL was a long time German, like your country, and then russian, like your country, and is not eastern Europe?

@Purno: research started: http://ttforums.owenrudge.net/viewtopic ... 405#163405
And your compost car is nice. But we have no compost cargo type

[Colonel32]

50% people think that Netherlands and Holland is the same thing
50% people think that Holland is a province of Netherland
those numbers respond to people from Netherlands, which I know.

And BTW: I don't care that americans are devided:
5% I know Czech republic
30% Did you mean Czechoslovakia?
65% Where did you say you are from?

I'd just expect us, europeans to know each other...

Enough this OT

...just say we have Central European and Western European cargostes, what is the problem...

[Colonel32]

Short carrigge for coal, wood, etc..

Es/Vte V1.0

2-axle, weight 13 tons, capacity 27 tons, country: CZ, liverty: CD, cargoset: Central European

If no comments, I'd draw the red version

[Colonel32]

2 Purno: Ad: Compost
It seems to me that the photo shows diferently than how you drew it.
I tried to explain my thought in a painting, hope it's understandable

[Colonel32]

Es/Vte
Both Colors

[Colonel32]

Petr Vanek agreed, we are free to use his graphics.

this is a Habilns (sliding-wall) [not to be mistaken with Habbilnns]
with ALL loading stages -> THIS one is done.

axles: 4, CD, CZ, weight: 30 tons, capacity: 60 tons.
transports: Goods

[Saskia]

Cool, looks much better than MB's