[REQUEST]Modern USA Passenger Cars (Amfleet & Horizons)

tydev417 · Post by **tydev417** » 10 Oct 2005 22:30

In Locomotion, the last set of passenger and mail cars you get are ones from the 1960s. After awhile you do get the Eurostar set but they're not very American (well not at all). I wanted to know if someone can create a set of Amfleets and maybe Horizons so that we at least have some modern USA passenger cars to go along with the Superliners.

Amtrak Amfleet I (Current Phase IVb)
Speed: 125 mph
Weight: ?
Design: 1973-1977
Obsolete: -
Capacity: Coach 84, Amcafe 53, Amdinette 55

Amtrak Amfleet II (Current Phase IVb)
Speed: 125 mph
Weight: ?
Design: 1981
Obsolete: -
Capacity: Coach 59, Amlounge 32

96smitro · Post by **96smitro** » 10 Oct 2005 23:01

These cars are available for MSTS (Microsoft Rrain Simulator) on http://www.train-sim.com/ (has A LOT of American MSTS models)- but if you are going to convert this model (or others) for Locomotion and release it, you would need permission for the author to use them...

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 11 Oct 2005 05:05

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=274731#274731

metalangel · Post by **metalangel** » 11 Oct 2005 08:56

http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=33666

This file contains an E60 Metroliner engine and Amfleet cars. They only work with the E60 at present, but you could tweak them with the tools on this forum to work with anything,

tydev417 · Post by **tydev417** » 11 Oct 2005 18:35

I was looking for something more on the lines of these (AEM-7s):

Most of the E60 fleet was put into storage in 1984 due to the arrival of the AEM-7s and all were srapped in 2003. And both the E60 and Amfleet are in PRR livery.

I thought that both were made only for Amtrak.

And both Acela trainsets out now use the default set from MSTS. Someeone released a new Acela set back in 2002.

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 11 Oct 2005 20:17

I was planning some stuff a while ago; ( http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... t=american ) if people can add detailed information for then i maybe could make some.

tydev417 · Post by **tydev417** » 11 Oct 2005 20:35

I'll look for info as soon as possible.

tydev417 · Post by **tydev417** » 11 Oct 2005 22:30

Well seeing that topic and the fact that you were in the progress of making a Genesis, would be able to convert these Superliners that were released last month too? It's located (all of it is) on the train-sim.com File Library.

EDIT: I found info on the AEM7, Acela Express, P40/P42

AEM7 Specifications

Delivered: 1980 (Rebuilt 1999 with AC traction, new livery, improved propulsion, enriched torque)
Weight: 101 tons
Length: 51 ft (15.5 m)
Power: 7000 hp (5.2 MW)
Top Speed: 125 mph (201 km/h) Metroliner,
110 mph (177 km/h) Acela Regional, NortheastDirect,
90 mph (145 km/h) long-distance trains

Acela Express Specifications

Build Dates: 1998-2001
Territory: Amtrak's Northeast Corridor, Washington, DC - Boston, MA
Top Speed: 150 mph (240 km/h)
Supply Voltages: 25kV 60Hz AC, 12kV 60Hz AC, 12kV 25Hz AC.
Traction:8 3-phase AC asynchronous motors, total power 9200 kW (12300 hp)
Length and Weight: 663 ft (202 m) / 624 tons (566 tonnes)
Configuration: 1 power car + 6 cars + 1 power car, 304 seats (260 Business, 44 First)
Performance Metrics: 16.3 kW/tonne / 1.9 tonnes/seat / 30.3 kW/seat
Trainset starting tractive effort: 225 kN (50000 lbs)
Maximum rated speed: 265 km/h (165 mph)
Minimum curve radius:: 76 m (250')
Power / Weight: 16.3 kW/tonne (compare to TGV Duplex, 23 kW/tonne)
Power / Seat: 30.3 kW/seat (compare to TGV Duplex, 16.2 kW/seat)
Weight / Seat: 1.9 tonne/seat (compare to TGV Duplex, 0.7 tonne/seat)
Power car length: 21.22 m (69' 7")
Power car width: 3.18 m (10' 5")
Power car wheel diameter: 1.02 m (40")
Power car weight: 92700 kg (204000 lbs)
Passenger car length: 26.65 m (87' 5")
Passenger car width: 3.16 m (10' 4")
Passenger car wheel diameter: 0.91 m (36")
Maximum passenger car tilt: 6.5 degrees
Intermediate Business car weight: 63100 kg (139000 lbs)
End car (Business and First) weight: 64600 kg (142000 lbs)
Bistro car weight: 62100 kg (137000 lbs)

P40/P42 Specs

In Service: P40 1993, P42 1999
Top Speed: 110mph
Weight: 115.4 tonnes (254,000 lbs)
General Electric DC-traction Bo-Bo 4,200hp Diesel

Amtrak · Post by **Amtrak** » 13 Oct 2005 07:52

scrat has the acela express avaliable in his "My Vehicless" download avaliables: here.

tydev417 · Post by **tydev417** » 13 Oct 2005 14:55

I know that, I was just saying that a better looking one is out for MSTS as the one he used was the default.

metalangel · Post by **metalangel** » 13 Oct 2005 16:30

tydev, don't say you want something better looking than what scrat's produced, it's caused all sorts of problems in the past and it's also a bit rude. I know which 'new' Acela you're referring to, it was released for both Trainz and MSTS - the differences are so subtle you would not notice after it's been shrunk down to Lomo size. The community's efforts are far better spent making new things instead of duplicating the old.

There is also more than one P40 available, and it comes with Superliners. What's wrong with them?

I'm trying to be diplomatic here, but you have to understand that just demanding piles of stuff (all of which, bar the AEM-7, has already been made) doesn't go down well with people who spend hours making all this stuff for free, for the sheer pleasure of it. If you really want these vehicles, why not download VC and make them yourself? You already have the MSTS files, that's a good start.

That E60, by the way, is in MBTA colours.

http://www.train-sim.com/cgi/kdl/main/1 ... p?XamFW00v

http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib003/MBTA.GIF

tydev417 · Post by **tydev417** » 13 Oct 2005 18:41

I didn't mean to be demanding, I just saw that you were in the process of making a US Rail set but never finished it so I was wondering that if you ever do, would you be able to include them. But you guys do have lives so I understand if any of you can't.

When Chris (or whoever) made Locomotion, he basically skipped right over all of the current and past Amtrak stock and only did freight locomotives along with a set of passenger cars from the Santa Fe set. He did include a lot European content though.

The content out now isn't bad though but it would be nice to have more US content.

metalangel · Post by **metalangel** » 13 Oct 2005 21:29

I completely agree with you. The US content that came with the game was a total disgrace. And we do need more - we need the Budd EMUs, we need the GG-1, we need A&B F units, and more steamers.

We'll get there eventually, but let's fill in the gaps before we start polishing everything.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 29 Oct 2005 20:54

Without necessarily even making anything new, would it be possible to collect all the existing LoMo US stuff and release them all together in one batch? Not only would this make using them easier, it would clarify what's need and what's not.

GG1, anyone?

metalangel · Post by **metalangel** » 31 Oct 2005 22:12

The GG-1, to my mind, is the one US vehicle we still need - it is both a good companion to the L&PS interurban and vital for building an electric network for freight early on. It's also an masterpiece of design (any who's seen the Animatrix - isn't the train in A Detective Story inspired by it?)

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 01 Nov 2005 02:39

It would be ideal to combine all the US vehicles into one set, though. Easier to use.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 01 Nov 2005 12:07

If there was a US Set for loco out, I'd want it to be high quality, and not just odds and ends collected together.

MSTS converted models always have one side of the vehicle looking like a black hole.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 01 Nov 2005 14:43

Why is that?

chevyrider · Post by **chevyrider** » 01 Nov 2005 14:49

For diesels like gp 38, gp40; sd 40 and a great grainhopper look here:
http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=336381#336381

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 01 Nov 2005 14:49

I don't know. One side always seems to be just too dark, which is a shame when its the front of the train.

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