European Cargo Set (ECS) - PROJECT LEADER NEEDED!

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 26 May 2004 21:07

Correction: Eas-u is Vsa not Uas by old name

and another wagon:

Es - shorter and lower Eas

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 26 May 2004 23:12

Faccs/Sas V1.0

The \ view looks wierd, no idea how to make it look normal...
suggestions welcome

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 27 May 2004 08:08

Falls looks almost like Falns and Faccs like Fcs. Falns and Fcs could be removed from the sheet now. Or Purno wants them all

We could include two types of sliding-wall waggons for goods; Habis (very long 4-axle) & Hbis (very short 2-axle). Pictures: http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/de/car ... H/pix.html (only where the picture is described with those waggons)

And telescope roof(?) and tarpaulin (drawn by MB) waggons for steel and goods; Shimms and Sahimms:
http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/de/car ... S/pix.html (only where the picture is described with those waggons)
http://www.tt-modelleisenbahn.de/ttbilder/sahimms.jpg

EDIT: oh, there already is a tarpaulin Shimns

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 27 May 2004 08:57

1.

Here are some new suggestions:

Silo Car from NS, Netherlands

Sclmmnps with Structon crane, Netherlands

Takkls from VAM Compost, Netherlands

Fccpps from RailPro, Netherlands

2.

The Spreadsheet is really getting a mess because of all 'typenumbers' like:

someone wrote:Falls looks almost like Falns and Faccs like Fcs.

Maybe we should use some easier system. Because I think it gets a bit complicated with things like these. (BTW: That quote is just for example)

3.

I've updated the spreadsheet.

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 27 May 2004 09:37

Yes, we could really use easier thingies than "Sclmmnps" or so

Two possiblities:
1. we say medium 6-axle flatbed waggon, for example
2. we look up the meanings of the letters of the UIC, like here (german only) http://home.wtal.de/gueterwagen/gatt-zde.htm ... so it's impossbile to say "I draw a medium flatbed waggon", and somebody says "this waggon has four instead of six axles" or "this car has an max. freight weight of 60 tons" and somebody says "no, it's 75 tons" ... you know what I mean?

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 27 May 2004 09:39

Why don't you guys + girl make a colum for the UIC-coded name, a colum for the general description and a colum for the amount of axles. That makes it easier to read.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 27 May 2004 09:46

Saskia wrote:Yes, we could really use easier thingies than "Sclmmnps" or so
Two possiblities:
1. we say medium 6-axle flatbed waggon, for example
2. we look up the meanings of the letters of the UIC, like here (german only) http://home.wtal.de/gueterwagen/gatt-zde.htm ... so it's impossbile to say "I draw a medium flatbed waggon", and somebody says "this waggon has four instead of six axles" or "this car has an max. freight weight of 60 tons" and somebody says "no, it's 75 tons" ...

Saskia wrote:you know what I mean?

Ehmm.......

......... ehmmmm..... well....... kind of

I think.

But maybe I've another suggestion. We number all cars in the list. So we can say: "Maybe we can add this carriage (link, name, etc), it looks like car #8. BTW: I think we can remove #5 because it's the same as #9."

Is that an idea?

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 27 May 2004 09:49

/me feels ignored

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 09:51

2 Purno:

Coding the vehicles: a number at the beginning and a letter, for other liverties: Brown Eas 5A, red Eas 5B...

BTW: any comments to my Faccs? otherwise I could start the red version...

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 09:58

Andother suggestion:

Talls: a Falls rebuilt to trasport grain, due to a new different name it should be a separate car, not a refit option,

Fall/Wa just a different looking Falls, but we could use more vehicles...

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 27 May 2004 10:00

Colonel32 wrote:2 Purno:

Coding the vehicles: a number at the beginning and a letter, for other liverties: Brown Eas 5A, red Eas 5B...

No I mean something like:

Code: Select all

#1a, Oil Tanker, Shell Livery
#1b, Oil Tanker, Esso Livery
#2a, Goods Van, ...
#2b, Goods Van, ...

Colonel32 wrote:BTW: any comments to my Faccs? otherwise I could start the red version...

WOW

It's really good. But don't forget we need cargo carriages
- unloaded
- half loaded
- full loaded
- loading

EDIT: Hyronymus, sorry... I didn't see your post, you probably posted it while I was typing.

EDIT: Excel sheet has been updated.

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 10:06

2 Purno:

Coding: no, basicaly, i meant it the same way as you did...

Sas: I'll do the red one, and I thing we could finish the loading stages the last, if there are any suggestions to the carriges, so that we don't have to redraw them all...

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 10:25

We have some slidingwall and freezer freightcars, which are part of the CSDcargosetW developed by Petr Vanek, but yet I don't have his permission to use them in the europeancargosetW, so until this is solved, you should not waste time with drawing these...

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 27 May 2004 10:59

Hyronymus wrote:Why don't you guys + girl make a colum for the UIC-coded name, a colum for the general description and a colum for the amount of axles. That makes it easier to read.

We should do so, but then we had it like now, but only with separate columns for UIC, description and no. of axles.
Btw, the UIC-coding contains more than the # of axles, like max. speed, max. weight, and many more things.

@Purno, do you mean this coding method for the veh-ID? Then it isn't good/possible.
1. we should start coding at a higher number, like 80h, otherwise waggons are show before engines in the list.
2. the first vehilces after this number should be old and small waggons.
3. then the newer, and newer waggons, and so on.
4. liveries are random things, not own veh-IDs I like the parameters that Colonel suggested.
5. we should save IDs, if this set should be compatible to the passet and other sets (containing the engines).

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 27 May 2004 11:03

Saskia wrote:@Purno, do you mean this coding method for the veh-ID? Then it isn't good/possible.

No no no, absolutely not. Then #-number and the ID are different things.
The #-number is just for that we can easily say what car we mean. Like: "I mean car #5a". IDs come later.

Saskia wrote:1. we should start coding at a higher number, like 80h, otherwise waggons are show before engines in the list.
2. the first vehilces after this number should be old and small waggons.
3. then the newer, and newer waggons, and so on.
4. liveries are random things, not own veh-IDs I like the parameters that Colonel suggested.
5. we should save IDs, if this set should be compatible to the passet and other sets (containing the engines).

I know nothing about how IDs work. This comes later, when we've a complete list of cargo carriages we want to include.

EDIT: new spreadsheet updated

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 11:11

Faccs/Sas red finished

aditional info for my cars:

-------axles - liverty - country - weight - capacity - transports
Eas - 4 - CD - Czech rep. - xxx - xxx - coal, wood, (iron ore)
Faccs - 4 - CD - Czech rep. - 22 tons - 47tons - cement

hell, most czech wagons are designed to transport cement (the Uacs - Raj can transport only cement), but until cement is enabled by the patch, which won't be any soon, we will have to use the Uacs for goods and I am sure that we could use the Faccs for coal, ore, grain and goods (strange, but makes sense).

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 27 May 2004 11:12

Additions to the table:
Shimmns has 4 axles
Sahimmns has 6 axles

Other things:
- Hm, the waggons mostly don't come from a specific country. Sclmmnps is available in most Euro countries.
- If you want a country column, I suggest to write NL instead of the long word Netherlands *g* and same for other countries.
- Could you please upload the sheet on a "constant" place?

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 11:18

2 PURNO:

BTW: Colonel32 would like to be mentioned under developers in the xls sheet.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 27 May 2004 11:22

Saskia wrote:- Hm, the waggons mostly don't come from a specific country. Sclmmnps is available in most Euro countries.

But liveries do, don't they?

Saskia wrote:- If you want a country column, I suggest to write NL instead of the long word Netherlands *g* and same for other countries.

NL = Netherlands, D = Germany, LUX = Luxembourg,
but what is Czech Republic???

Saskia wrote:- Could you please upload the sheet on a "constant" place?

I don't have any personal website or something, but I can post it with the first post of this topic. Is that good too?

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 May 2004 11:30

Czech republic uses CZ shortcut
(used to be CS while we were together with slovakia)

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