[Finished] Stockholm Metro trains

Post by **Chrill** » 17 Dec 2005 20:59

I´m not sure, but I think that´s how it is.

But, maybe it´s:

D-P-D D-P-D D-D

I can check at Monday, if I go by train tomorrow.

SVoyager · Post by **SVoyager** » 17 Dec 2005 21:03

yea that last option would make a bit more sense, but please do if you can, even if it gets realeased sooner, thats something i would like to know myself!

Post by **Chrill** » 17 Dec 2005 21:04

Okey. I´ll see what I can do. I´m glad if I can help

GurraJG · Post by **GurraJG** » 18 Dec 2005 12:03

chrillDevil wrote:The C20 often runs in 6 wagons. But sometimes, 8.

D = Driver wagon P= Passenger Wagon
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Normal:
D-P-D D-P-D
Sometimes:
D-D D-D D-D D-D
I think that´s how it is.

Actually, that's not correct. I understand why you think it's like that, and I don't blame you, since it's often misunderstood, even here in Sweden. But, just to avoid confusion, I guess I should explain it.

The newest type of subway cars are the C20. One C20 consists of three units. These are put togheter in such a fashion that it is not possible to add or remove units. At both ends of the car (the first and last unit), there are driving "places". Example:

D=Driving "place", -=rest of car, !=seperation between units:

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D----!-----!----D

This means that there is ONLY a EMU-3 configuration of the C20. Now, a normal length train, which is used most of the time during operation, consists of 3 C20s coupled togheter, as such:

C=One C20, !=seperation between C20s:

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C!C!C

This means that a normal length train consists of nine units divided into 3 C20s. Remember, it's impossible to add or remove units on a C20, so a normal length train consists only of nine units, no exception.

There is also a short length train, which consists of 2 C20s coupled togheter, as such:

C=One C20, !=seperation between C20s:

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C!C

Abviously, this means that there are six units divided into 2 C20s. Once again, a C20 can only consist of three units, no more, no less.

So, what's up with the whole 6 and 8 car talk? Well, at each and every station, there is an automatic train announcer, stating the line number, destination and train length. For a normal length train, the announcement says "8 vagnar", or 8 cars. For a short train, it's "6 vagnar", or 6 cars. No, neither the normal or the short length trains are 8 or 6 cars long (their 3 and 2), so why do the announce the wrong length? The answer is simple:

Before the introducation of the C20, all subway trains consisted of shorter cars. A full length train before consisted of 8 cars, and a short length train consisted of 6 cars. Now, when the C20 was introduced, they did not change the car length announcements for what ever reason. Note also that some older cars are still in use, so the length announcements for them are still correct.

I hope that cleared some things up. So, remember, C20=only EMU-3!

Oh, and another thing; the boogie arrangement ont the C20s: The first and last units only have one boogie, and the middle unit have two boogies, making a total of four boogies per C20:

D=Driving "place", -=rest of car, !=seperation between units, 0= boogie arrangement:

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D----!-----!----D
0     0   0     0

All four boogies consist of two axles, and all four boogies are powered. The total power of one C20 is 1000 kW.

And finally, the amount of passengers one C20 can carry is 414; 126 sitting and 288 standing. For a full length train, that means that the total capacity is 1242 (damn, I wouldn't wanna be on that train!), and for a short length train, 828.

Once again, hope that helps.

Post by **Chrill** » 18 Dec 2005 13:10

GurraJG wrote:For a full length train, that means that the total capacity is 1242

That many!!! I can´t think these trains are ever full IRL, feels like it´s only 100 persons per EMU-3

Metromaster · Post by **Metromaster** » 18 Dec 2005 16:06

I haven't been to the site for a while. But these railcars really look nice. Hope to get them soon. Great work!

SVoyager · Post by **SVoyager** » 18 Dec 2005 16:48

ahh make a whole lot of sense now thx for the info.

My model did accuratly show the bogey locations but I didnt tought about the impossibility to use a emu 2 configuration (damn so obvious just when you check the bogey placement

).

Didnt realised that the 8 vagnar call was due to the fact that it was still calling the older trains. But i suppose it could say 9 vagnar (on a 3x emu 3 consist) since it would have 9 wagons total.

Thx again, great info and will defenatly be more useful for me later on!!

Post by **Chrill** » 18 Dec 2005 17:08

Yeah. Thanks for the info GurraJG

GurraJG · Post by **GurraJG** » 18 Dec 2005 17:51

SVoyager wrote:But i suppose it could say 9 vagnar (on a 3x emu 3 consist) since it would have 9 wagons total.

Thx again, great info and will defenatly be more useful for me later on!!

Well, technically, it's only 3 wagons... but any way, your most welcome. I wouldn't want the information to be wrong now that we finally get some Swedish trains!

SVoyager · Post by **SVoyager** » 18 Dec 2005 19:08

np.

btw, dont wanna keep insisting on that part of the subject but i would love to understand it so I dont make a fool of myself too often hehe. Need to boost my vocabulary a lill with the railway terms.

The whole emu is considered a wagon?

When I check on bombardier's website they describe it as a "3 car train".

gets confusing with the terms hmm. Do you know a website that has a good number of railway terms and its definition?

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 18 Dec 2005 19:28

EMU: Electric Multiple Unit. So your Metro is a EMU because it has multiple units in one train and its electric

SVoyager · Post by **SVoyager** » 18 Dec 2005 19:32

yea figured that one out but didnt tought that it was considered as a single wagon and were not counting the individual units of the emu in the equation

GurraJG · Post by **GurraJG** » 18 Dec 2005 19:42

I also get confused. I have no idea what to call one C20, so I just say "car" for one C20, unit for each piece of the C20, and train for 2 or more coupled togheter. If anyone knows the correct terms in english, I wouldn't mind hearing them.

Post by **Chrill** » 19 Dec 2005 13:46

That sounds like a good idea.

SVoyager and IA: When this is finished, and uploaded here, you could maybe add it to the train packs and object list, the sticky one?

SVoyager · Post by **SVoyager** » 19 Dec 2005 20:20

Enjoy!

Post by **Chrill** » 19 Dec 2005 21:12

great

Michael H · Post by **Michael H** » 10 Jan 2006 16:08

Realy nice, but how can i download it?

MjD · Post by **MjD** » 10 Jan 2006 16:16

SVoyager wrote:Enjoy!

Click on Enjoy, and go and download from that topic

SVoyager · Post by **SVoyager** » 10 Jan 2006 16:18

Just checked my main download link on the other page. looks like its no longer on tt-forums. Will try to get a hold of the installer again and i'll try to host it. Will get back in touch as soon as i have somethin

Plastikman · Post by **Plastikman** » 10 Jan 2006 16:25

I know i have the file on my laptop. i can check when i get home. I forgot my power cord today

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