request trackless trolleybus & cable car

[Samuel]

Off Topic: Which city and country is this tram/bus system in.

Nvm I see the city is Nancy but what's the country? I'm not good at telling where the citys are. I'm assuming it's in France.

Nancy,France
据我所知我故乡天津曾经有计划引进一套类似的无轨电车系统，不过被轻铁计划代替了

[PennCentral]

Dayton Ohio has them too

[metalangel]

Toronto used to have them... I miss them!

This is how I remember them[/url]

[Breeze646]

Toronto used to have them... I miss them!

This is how I remember them[/url]

Speaking about the trolley buses in toronto, when I visited toronto during march break this year (spring break some people call it) I had lansdowne garage on my list to visit (BTW my reward I made with my parents that if I get atlest b's for all my subjects in my 2nd report card I would go to toronto to test the transit system. Otherwords it was a bit of tourism and commuting) and when we arrived at lansdowne station we walked a bit north on lansdowne and found lansdowne garage and it was torn down. I submitted a photo I took of it to Mike's Transit Stop.

Also that trip inspired me to suggest the ALRV and CLRV. What also helped is we found a cheap hotel downtown since the train took like 200 or 300 to buy tickets. Also it was more expensive to go by grayhound to Toronto then it is by train. But anyway yeah our hotel was near dundas square. Only like 1/2 a block from the subway.

Off Topic: Since dundas has cobblestone there that reminded me of something from Ottawa. We had a earthquake this winter. It was 5.7 on the rictor scale. Well since that earthquake pot holes have showed up. One pot hole on camern and governer in Old Ottawa South has a pothole that shows cobble stone at the bottom of it.

It wasn't there before winter. Well I'm going to try to get a picture of it. But I though that street was made after the cobblestone age.

Dayton Ohio has them too

Yeah Ottawa used to have them but they didn't last long and I managed to find some pictures of them. I really wish we would have a trolley bus system athens has. (You know the location of the 2004 Summer Olympics)

[andel]

Apologies for my silence on this topic... I work away from home during the week and its hard to just drop things in the evening.

So - I will do more on this later this week... I'm not abandoning it.

[Breeze646]

Apologies for my silence on this topic... I work away from home during the week and its hard to just drop things in the evening.

So - I will do more on this later this week... I'm not abandoning it.

Lol Join the club

Anyway I found someone already attempted this but I really think this won't happen again like it did here.

[Vadims Falkovs]

Unfortunatily I can't xml files or enother to convert to file, wich I can put to ObjData. I use computer as "type-machine" only If somebody can it to convert to .dat files, it will be very nice

[Breeze646]

Well I didn't want you to use those. I was just telling you because you guys are doing a way beter job. Keep it up!!!

[Metromaster]

Toronto used to have them... I miss them!

This is how I remember them[/url]

South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority (SEPTA) also had them in Philadelphia for many years. They recently refurbished the entire depot, replaced the wire along all the routes and then replaced the entire fleet of trackless coaches with diesel buses. Go figure.

[Breeze646]

Toronto used to have them... I miss them!

This is how I remember them[/url]

South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority (SEPTA) also had them in Philadelphia for many years. They recently refurbished the entire depot, replaced the wire along all the routes and then replaced the entire fleet of trackless coaches with diesel buses. Go figure.

Yep it's sad because once we run out of gas they going to be in a hurry to find something else. If they start swiching to Trolley Buses again right now and the citys that do that will probably get overcrowded once we run out of gas. Trust me we need to start swiching buses and route so we don't stop services when we run out of oil.

Toronto will only have subways and streetcars running once we run out of gas. Atlest since they'll be no cars they can run red lights where there's no trolley tracks crossing.

Montreal will have only there metro running.

Ottawa will have nothing running unless they take my suggestion to swich the 7 to a trolley route. (This is if we run out of oil before the O-Train Expansion. The expansion will be running on electric. It will be done by the end of 2008.)

London (England) will have the underground running and all other electric vehicles.

Vancouver will have there trolley buses and there Sky Train Running.

San Fransico will have both there trams and trolley buses and the BART running.

In otherwords anything that runs on oil will not be running.

Also in North America the only train that will be running is the Acela Express and any other electric train.

As you can see here in North America, Oil is the backbone of America and Canada. Without it America won't be the most powerful nation in the world. Also without oil the sky will be quite (yay ) and people will swich back to rail. Except we won't beable to cross the ocean (aww ) and ether we will have to build a bridge or a tunnel across the ocean or swich back to ships. Or just have the america's and europe be sparated except by internet.

[Breeze646]

I know I know double posting but as you can see my previous post is long enouth, I just didn't want to make it longer. Anyway on with the post.

Here in North America Amtrak and Via will have to increase service. Boats I just figured out that they ran on oil. So we will have to go way back in time for that. Amtrak and Via will have to swich to electricity. Ships will have to probably run on coal or maybe even sails. Buses could be tempary towed by horses. (Not saying that they will be just maybe) If they are towed by horses they will still need electricity to keep the lights on and open and close the doors. Just think what would happen without oil. No cars, no gas, no planes, no trains (Atlest here in north america except on the North East Corridor) and no travel (No major travel is what I mean like going between towns). Life will probably be like 150 years ago. Except with loads of unoperational cars and loads of guns so there will probably be some gun battles at the pumps.

In otherwords we might just have to go back 150 years. Except citys that were smart and didn't change trams and trolley buses to gas buses. They can stay in the future. Plus almost all the US Airforce uses jets on all there planes. They can only use aircraft fuel. So we can say goodbye to jets when we say goodbye to oil.

Just wish someone who was high up would read this because right now they can convert there buses to trolley buses and atlest there transit system won't get affected by oil running out.

Also if the railways here in north america change to electric right now they would probably make loads of money once gas runs out. Since they'll be no planes running nor cars.

I can see a great protental in the Train industry. Only if they would smarten up and change to electric soon.

I've also seen on the discovery channel that now instead of it being 50 years of oil left there's only 5!!! Yeah that shows how much we've started using gas now. So the citys beter smarten up or north america will come to a halt when we run out of oil.

[metalangel]

*snipped alarmist Mad Max scenario for length*

I've also seen on the discovery channel that now instead of it being 50 years of oil left there's only 5!!! Yeah that shows how much we've started using gas now. So the citys beter smarten up or north america will come to a halt when we run out of oil.

I hate to break it to you...

The world isn't going to run out of oil, and if it does, it won't grind to a halt. You can make oil from coal (that's how South Africa and Nazi Germany did it). You can make make diesel from vegetable oil. You can make methane for fuel by collecting livestock farts (really). There are plenty of alternative sources of energy, the only thing is, fossil fuels are still cheaper.

If you want to be concerned about something, go and find out how many power plants run on oil, as converting everything to electricity is pointless if there's not enough of it being generated (and generating 25kV takes a lot of effort)

http://www.omcea.be/903466.energy,problem/

So, the Lomo trolley buses... are they going to run on a variant of the tram tracks - that is to say, ones without visible tracks? Is it a good idea, when making their tracks, to perhaps make the overhead wires optional, so they can work as the 'bus lanes' being discussed in that other topic?

[Breeze646]

Damn I wanted it to grind to a halt. But something will still grind to a halt. That would be air travel. Since there fuel is produced from oil. So far nothing else has been succesful at a alternative. Here's a few good things about that:
1. No noise from a plane flying over your house(yay!!!)
2. Train travel will increase since yeah as you said they can make diesel from vegi oil. I forgot all about that at the time. I forget if they can make gas from vegi oil or something but yeah diesel yeah I remember reading about that somewhere. As as we all know planes can only run on there own aircraft fuel.
3. Finally farms will get some more money because of the vegi oil and they need it.
4. It would take some time after we run out of oil to swich to other fuel. In that time I dunno what will happen but something like what I discribed up there might happen for a few years. (Not forever I'm sorry if it sounded like that)
5. No more hot winters in Canada (Like this winter) which created so much ice if it wasn't snowing. Ether it was snowing or icing.
6. Usually when stuff first comes out there more expensive. That's why Biodiesel is more expensive, Once it gets used mroe it will go down. Plus Biodiesel since it is made from vegi oil you can have basicly a unlimited supply.

Sorry if it sounded like it would be like that forever but I was talking from the time we run out of oil to the time we find another supply. This could last from 1 day to 10 years.

Damn this forum may be down if we run out of oil that means if we have loads of oil power plants. Now here in Ontario I don't think we have that many oil plants. We have mostly nuclear and hydro and getting rid of some coal plants right now but they plan on putting some natural gas in it's place. So atlest ontario is fine. If there is some oil plants in ontario please tell me.

And also to get things straight all the cars wouldn't stop at once in the street. Instead they would just slowly stop appearing and then when the buses run out of diesel they wouldn't come in the morning for you to get to work. The one day there will be no cars untill they get the alternative in.

Anyway it won't matter here in Ottawa because we have loads of bike paths and because of that almost everyone (Keyword: Almost). Atlest there's a alternative for a while. But anyway once all the cars are gone we can do bike rage on the streets.

BTW it will grind to a halt once we run out of oil but not long after it will be back up and running. And I'm only 16 so I'm going to have this problem in my life time. But as the expression goes: The sooner the beter.

[Samuel]

Toronto used to have them... I miss them!

This is how I remember them[/url]

South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority (SEPTA) also had them in Philadelphia for many years. They recently refurbished the entire depot, replaced the wire along all the routes and then replaced the entire fleet of trackless coaches with diesel buses. Go figure.

I think you're wrong,from my friend in Edmonton,he said septa will buy 60 new flyer e40lf trolley bus(as same as Vancover translink's) for replace the AMGs
off topic:how many RTS bus in NYMTA's bus fleet?I saw them in a tv seriers<Beijingers in New York> 15 year ago when I was a child,in that seriers,many RTS and new flyer d60hf on nyc's street

[Breeze646]

Toronto used to have them... I miss them!

This is how I remember them[/url]

South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority (SEPTA) also had them in Philadelphia for many years. They recently refurbished the entire depot, replaced the wire along all the routes and then replaced the entire fleet of trackless coaches with diesel buses. Go figure.

I think you're wrong,from my friend in Edmonton,he said septa will buy 60 new flyer e40lf trolley bus(as same as Vancover translink's) for replace the AMGs
off topic:how many RTS bus in NYMTA's bus fleet?I saw them in a tv seriers<Beijingers in New York> 15 year ago when I was a child,in that seriers,many RTS and new flyer d60hf on nyc's street

Hey I wanna know how many RTS's are in MTA's Fleet too so if anyone knows I wanna know too.

Thanks.

EDIT: BTW I was checking random websites and found this. So septa is probably just doing a renewal to the whole system.

[Samuel]

South Eastern Pennsylvania Transit Authority (SEPTA) also had them in Philadelphia for many years. They recently refurbished the entire depot, replaced the wire along all the routes and then replaced the entire fleet of trackless coaches with diesel buses. Go figure.

I think you're wrong,from my friend in Edmonton,he said septa will buy 60 new flyer e40lf trolley bus(as same as Vancover translink's) for replace the AMGs
off topic:how many RTS bus in NYMTA's bus fleet?I saw them in a tv seriers<Beijingers in New York> 15 year ago when I was a child,in that seriers,many RTS and new flyer d60hf on nyc's street

Hey I wanna know how many RTS's are in MTA's Fleet too so if anyone knows I wanna know too.

Thanks.

EDIT: BTW I was checking random websites and found this. So septa is probably just doing a renewal to the whole system.

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24662
at this topic
and when have trolley bus set replease?I want to know

[metalangel]

Damn I wanted it to grind to a halt. But something will still grind to a halt. That would be air travel. Since there fuel is produced from oil. So far nothing else has been succesful at a alternative. Here's a few good things about that:
1. No noise from a plane flying over your house(yay!!!)

I am in favour of getting rid of short-haul domestic flights, such as within the UK, or between cities like New York and Washington DC. When you factor in the travel time to and from the airport, the one hour prior to departure that you need to be there... the train is just as fast, if not faster. I went to Glasgow from Cardiff. Yes, the flight was barely 90 minutes. But, I had to get up at 5am, drive 45 mintues to the airport, sit in the airport for 90 minutes, then get another bus from Glasgow into the city itself. Or, I could have taken the train (I live in Cardiff city centre) to Glasgow (my friend lives in Glasgow city centre) and slept all the way.

2. Train travel will increase since yeah as you said they can make diesel from vegi oil. I forgot all about that at the time. I forget if they can make gas from vegi oil or something but yeah diesel yeah I remember reading about that somewhere. As as we all know planes can only run on there own aircraft fuel.

Sorry if it sounded like it would be like that forever but I was talking from the time we run out of oil to the time we find another supply. This could last from 1 day to 10 years.

The tap won't just suddenly run dry one day, man.

Damn this forum may be down if we run out of oil that means if we have loads of oil power plants. Now here in Ontario I don't think we have that many oil plants. We have mostly nuclear and hydro and getting rid of some coal plants right now but they plan on putting some natural gas in it's place. So atlest ontario is fine. If there is some oil plants in ontario please tell me.

Natural Gas is a fossil fuel too, you know, that is also going to become scarce sooner rather than later. You also have to take into account that Ontario Hydro has cut back a lot of its plants, and that it can't power *everyone*.

BTW it will grind to a halt once we run out of oil but not long after it will be back up and running. And I'm only 16 so I'm going to have this problem in my life time. But as the expression goes: The sooner the beter.

Yes, it'll be fantastic when the transport infrastructure grinds to a halt and everything starts to decay, the garbage men can't come to take your trash, the supermarket deliveries become fewer and farther between. During the fuel strikes in the UK five years ago, if you had your car fuelled, you hid it away, just in case.

[Breeze646]

Yep I'm in favor of getting rid of those short flight.

[Kosov_1986]

Hello!
Is it possible to make electrified roads? And some trolleys, like Ziu-9 ? Ziu-9

Because it would be nice, if you could have trolley buses, because in my country (Hungary) Budapest (the capitol), Debrecen and Szeged have trolleys like Ziu-9, Ikarus 280T, and some Škoda 14Tr i think.[/url]

[G-TANK-G]

Hello!
Is it possible to make electrified roads? And some trolleys, like Ziu-9 ? Ziu-9

Because it would be nice, if you could have trolley buses, because in my country (Hungary) Budapest (the capitol), Debrecen and Szeged have trolleys like Ziu-9, Ikarus 280T, and some ©koda 14Tr i think.[/url]

well, wyctor was making electrified roads, dont know whether he still is...