FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Development

[Kogut]

And is it possible to allow forests on rough terrain - like ECS orchard/forest ?

[planetmaker]

I like both ideas, wind turbines and woods on non-flat terrain, they make sense. But... personally I consider that nice additions which come secondary to getting a first version with all basic features.

[Kogut]

It may be sth more than only eyecandy - on mountainous maps all industries are crowded in rare flat places. Wind turbines, mines, forests may be located on hills. But OK, it isn't basic feature.

[andythenorth]

And is it possible to allow forests on rough terrain - like ECS orchard/forest ?

Various industries will in future be able to build non-flat terrain. It needs a little work to avoid problems, so won't be available soon.

[planetmaker]

It may be sth more than only eyecandy - on mountainous maps all industries are crowded in rare flat places. Wind turbines, mines, forests may be located on hills. But OK, it isn't basic feature.

Of course it's not eye candy only - it's a placement issue, but not the only one. But yeah... The easy, fundamental stuff comes first And then the corners can be mended such that the whole thing looks ok

[andythenorth]

The easy, fundamental stuff comes first

Right now, trying to patch OpenTTD comes first

[NekoMaster]

So, are there any parameters for FIRS yet?

[andythenorth]

So, are there any parameters for FIRS yet?

Yes.

[NekoMaster]

So, are there any parameters for FIRS yet?

Yes.

Then what parameters are there?

[planetmaker]

Then what parameters are there?

Current values for first param (these might change later):
0 - FIRS default
1 - Mining
2 - Farming

How can I enable extreme economy?

By setting the applicable parameter. In this case the first.

Things influenced by the economy parameter are among others:(...)
If the economy parameter is not set, a default, balanced industry selection will be used.

Current values for first param (these might change later):
0 - FIRS default
1 - Mining
2 - Farming

Look at the cargo payment chart for each of these, you'll see the difference.

There's a 2nd one planned which will deal with the stockpile limit of production boost cargos; alas its implementation is not yet finished. I added this piece of advice to the readme.

[Irwe]

I think there is a bug on the snow version of the aluminium plant. As seen in the picture it hasn't snow all the way and I do remember drawing it with snow all the way

[maquinista]

To test an OTTD industry code patch I created a larger windfarm. Looks pretty cool no?

windfarm_farm_farm_farm.png

Look closely and you'll see a wind turbine built in gap between the meatpacker buildings...which is appropriately enough what the patch is intended to prevent when finished

The windmill farm looks awesome.
Can They be built on sea?

[andythenorth]

I think there is a bug on the snow version of the aluminium plant.

Fixed

The windmill farm looks awesome. Can They be built on sea?

Not yet, but probably yes. They'll need a little graphic for a foundation.

[zc15-nyonker]

The industries were larger than the mountains- steel mills taller than skyscrapers- add that to the small maps, and ugggh

Just please, if you care about my sanity, don't do "Locomotion" style industies. . .

What's the issue with Locomotion industries? I've never played it...

Totally agreed. Before I discovered OTTD, I owned that game, but the CD accidentally got cracked. while searching online, I found OTTD... And I found out how lame Locomotion actually is.

[Kogut]

There are 2 small problems
- Junk Yard is recognised by noai api as secondary industry
by AIIndustryType.IsRawIndustry() function http://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/class ... dba386b1a0
(it accepts engineering supplies, but it produce cargo also without them)

- There is mess with wood http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=857457#p857457

[andythenorth]

There are 2 small problems
- Junk Yard is recognised by noai api as secondary industry

Yep, should be primary. Are there any others that seem wrong?

There is mess with wood http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=857457#p857457

Hmm. Think that's a side effect of cargo classes. It can probably be sorted out.

[planetmaker]

There are 2 small problems
- Junk Yard is recognised by noai api as secondary industry
by AIIndustryType.IsRawIndustry() function http://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/class ... dba386b1a0
(it accepts engineering supplies, but it produce cargo also without them)

Thanks. Fixed in r584

- There is mess with wood http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=857457#p857457

As outlined there, it's not a FIRS issue.

[Kogut]

There are 2 small problems
- Junk Yard is recognised by noai api as secondary industry

Yep, should be primary. Are there any others that seem wrong?

Dairy farm

[andythenorth]

I was just looking a little more at FIRS cargo definitions. It looks like FRUT should be defined as 'bulk', for consistency with other uses of FRUT: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CargoTypes

Currently HEQS vehicles that refit to 'bulk' then explicitly exclude fruit (using prop 16). However because prop 16 is is a simple flip of refittability, when HEQS is used with FIRS, these vehicles *can* refit to FRUT (not desired).

There are probably several solutions to this. One is to simply make FIRS define FRUT as 'bulk'. The other is for vehicle sets to provide special code for FIRS. Guess which I prefer?

[planetmaker]

There are probably several solutions to this. One is to simply make FIRS define FRUT as 'bulk'. The other is for vehicle sets to provide special code for FIRS. Guess which I prefer?

Hehe. Yes, adhering to the cargo class standards is definitely a good thing to do and not have every set introduce its own definition of established terms.