George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

[DanMacK]

Here's another bus - a Flxible Clipper from 1940.

Name: Flxible "Clipper"
Introduced: 1940
Passengers: 26
HP: 85
Top Speed: 65MPH
Available: 1940-1956
Lifespan: 15 years

[SHADOW-XIII]

George, version 3 with all long vehicles graphics, the bus depot list is a bit messed ... would be good to have them sorted (the best by year of appearing)

[wallyweb]

There was a bug, I hope it is fixed now.

The crash is fixed and I see Opel Blitz 3.6-36s Lkw which is reconfigurable for all industries but I also now see Balough Armoured Truck and Uhl Paper Truck. (I'm in Arctic Climat)

[George]

There was a bug, I hope it is fixed now.

The crash is fixed and I see Opel Blitz 3.6-36s Lkw which is reconfigurable for all industries but I also now see Balough Armoured Truck and Uhl Paper Truck. (I'm in Arctic Climat)

You have to press apply button in the graphics status window. After that you have to replace all those missing trucks in you game. Unfortunately, changing the version is a painful process. I could save only 1/3 of the trucks (for example, grain, livestock, coal) but not of them. Sorry, I could not do more.

[George]

Here's another bus - a Flxible Clipper from 1940.
Name: Flxible "Clipper"
Introduced: 1940
Passengers: 26
HP: 85
Top Speed: 65MPH
Available: 1940-1956
Lifespan: 15 years

Some data is missing. Cost, running cost, weight

[George]

George, version 3 with all long vehicles graphics, the bus depot list is a bit messed ... would be good to have them sorted (the best by year of appearing)

Ask Marcin to add a property for the vehicles order for RVs as it is for trains.

[SHADOW-XIII]

oh

[wallyweb]

You have to press apply button in the graphics status window.

URK! I forgot about that. Last night's wine ...

After that you have to replace all those missing trucks in you game.

Actually what I was using wasn't affected

Unfortunately, changing the version is a painful process. I could save only 1/3 of the trucks (for example, grain, livestock, coal) but not of them.

No pain = no gain ... and I bet you're enjoying the challenge

Sorry, I could not do more.

You're doing fine.

[DanMacK]

Here's another bus - a Flxible Clipper from 1940.
Name: Flxible "Clipper"
Introduced: 1940
Passengers: 26
HP: 85
Top Speed: 65MPH
Available: 1940-1956
Lifespan: 15 years

Some data is missing. Cost, running cost, weight

Oooopsie, see what happens when I post while working...

Cost: $12,000
Running Cost: $3,500
Weight: 11T

If you're raising runnign costs, go for it, I'd say up the IC-41 to about $5,000/yr, the GMC Old Look to $4,200, and the New Look to about $6,500.

Also, up the weight of the GMC "Old Look" to about 13T

[DanMacK]

Hmmmm, the Mack "C-14" needs tweaking, either with more HP or less weight. It won't make it up hills :/

George, I'd say go with what'll work best re: weight vs. HP as opposed to exact realism.

[George]

Hmmmm, the Mack "C-14" needs tweaking, either with more HP or less weight. It won't make it up hills :/

That means it need raising TE. Fixed

George, I'd say go with what'll work best re: weight vs. HP as opposed to exact realism.

TE and Air Res, because they are not displayed.

[George]

Need help
Please check the introduction dates, model life. I need the real values.

[SHADOW-XIII]

George I know I ask about something unbelivable but I think bus templates should be changed to suit trains ... currently buses are bigger than locomotives (which is quiet uncommon)

[George]

George I know I ask about something unbelivable but I think bus templates should be changed to suit trains ... currently buses are bigger than locomotives (which is quiet uncommon)

I tried to redraw LiAZ and Ikarus buses into my train scale (from 303 mm/px to 433 mm/px) that made them 75% smaller, and the Volvo 9700 and Mercedes truck into MB's train scale (from 303 mm/px to 617 mm/px) that made them 50% smaller. The result is UGLY! So, the answer is NO! The TTD is disproportional from the begining, the RVs and Ships for example. And it is impossible to fix it. It is only possible to make one class of objects proportional. But not all of them. Sorry, you have to take it as is. Even in xUSSR set we've choosed different scales for different objects.

[DanMacK]

George, the C-14 is still having troubles with hills... mayhaps lowering the weight to 1.5T would help? (increase TE as well). Also, I'd say increase speed to about 35-40MPH

[George]

George, the C-14 is still having troubles with hills... mayhaps lowering the weight to 1.5T would help? (increase TE as well). Also, I'd say increase speed to about 35-40MPH

Because I have not uploaded the file. Do not worry, the problem is solved

[DanMacK]

OK... my bad

[DanMacK]

Couple of revisions =>The ACF Brill looks too low in the front on the / and \ "away" views and a few small tweaks on the Flxible "Clipper" as well.

The speed on the TD-3701 should be upped to 60MPH and the Flxible "Airway" dropped to about 55.

[George]

Please have a look at the next iteration
If the cabin is Ok, I'll start to fill it with bodies

[Snail]

Hi George,

I saw your new allocation scheme and I thought I'd post some suggestions about how to fill the empty slots.

You were looking for a western european 1977 city bus, and I was thinking about an articulated model which has been heavily in use where I live until a couple of years ago. It's the Fiat 418 with the Macchi bodywork, which was available in both the urban and suburban versions. Here's a pic of the urban version
http://www.ferrovie.ch/milanotrasporti/ ... dorino.jpg
And here are two of the suburban one
http://www.ferrovie.ch/milanotrasporti/ ... -lotto.jpg
http://www.ferrovie.ch/milanotrasporti/ ... 041624.jpg
They're quite unique, as they're four-axle buses, and would add a high-capacity model in the game since the mid Seventies. Their production started in 1977 and ended in about 1985.
There was also the single-frame version, called 418AC, which was 10 meters long and was introduced a bit earlier (around 1975 with this bodywork) and could be a cheaper, smaller alternative to the 421 (as it was in reality). Here's a pic of it
http://digilander.libero.it/AutobusDiLi ... 6_adx2.JPG

I've got original drawings and many pics of both versions (AC and articulated).

I also saw you added a slot for a city bus in 1983. I was thinking about a French model, which would be a perfect replacement for the aging SC10 in the game; the Renault R312. It was actually introduced in 1985 (hope that's not a problem!) Here are some pictures of it:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.fuller1/ ... p_6543.jpg
http://www.amtuir.org/dossiers/95_ans_o ... 7_r312.jpg
http://busexplorer.com/WorldBus/Images/ ... etzAlt.jpg

It was sold in two versions, a two door one popular in Paris and a three door more common in other cities (they might have different livery schemes in the game). It went out production in 1997, with the introduction of the Agora. I still don't have a proper drawing of that, but I've got a picture of its side view (no 3/4 view, real plain side) which I believe you'll be able to use.

What do you say? As for drawing them, unluckily I'll be quite busy for the next year, so I really doubt I'll be able to find the time to learn and draw them.
Perahps some other artists out there would care to help? Like DanMack, or Wile E. Coyote, who drew really nice models? I could supply any of you with what you need, like pictures, info and some drawings. This of course would apply to the Renault TN6 too. (that one would be badly needed, as we still have no western european buses prior to 1950!)

By the way, I guess the 1994 Ikarbuses should be marked as Eastern european on your ID allocation scheme!