Concept Phase Oct09-May12

[Kevo00]

Just a thought on that note, I assume you have thought of this already, but if there are 'government' buildings in the game then people should travel to and from them too. I always thought it silly in Sim City that police and firemen didn't need to get to work, nor students and teachers! School and University traffic can be important for transport systems.

[smallfly]

Just a thought on that note, I assume you have thought of this already, but if there are 'government' buildings in the game then people should travel to and from them too. I always thought it silly in Sim City that police and firemen didn't need to get to work, nor students and teachers! School and University traffic can be important for transport systems.

Depending on performance limits, there will be
- home-to-work traffic
- home-to-school traffic (no cars)
- home-to-vacation traffic (from cities to seasides, mountains, forests ...)
- home-to-shopping traffic

By the way: Here is how motorway crossing could look like: (They will have a size of about 60*60 tiles!!)

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[KillerMapper]

The bridge isn't realistic, but it looks good.

[smallfly]

The bridge isn't realistic, but it looks good.

How would you paint it?

[KillerMapper]

Like this:



But it was especially about the size of the bridge, too little ^^

Edit: also I forgot to put a void line, I never see bridges where the road is near the hole.

[smallfly]

Like this:



But it was especially about the size of the bridge, too little ^^

Yeah that looks better

[EXTspotter]

I hope that it will use cargo destinations and passenger destinations, also as well as going out to work, school, holiday, etc, you have to add in a small "random" movement for one off journeys.

[smallfly]

I hope that it will use cargo destinations and passenger destinations

That will be a disputable point. I will try to find a way between reality and playability. I dont want to reward people who look for a coal mine and a power plant on the opposite side of the map and then transport coal over the whole map although the power plant would also be happy with coal from closer mines.

Citizen know where they want to get, so there will be something like "passenger destinations".

you have to add in a small "random" movement for one off journeys.

Yeah. That will be implemented.

[CommanderZ]

(They will have a size of about 60*60 tiles!!)

motorways.jpg

You told you will have to do with smaller maps (at least for the start), yet you are proposing 10 tiles wide highway? That is huge even on 2048 * 2048 map.


Also, the tiles are going to be much smaller than in OTTD, right?


Also, you should dump the SDL idea in favor of a GPU-accelerated solution - OpenGL or DirectX. This will put many "obscure" platforms out of play, but you will need all the CPU power for gameplay calculations you can get. You can easily see, how CPU intensive is blitting in OTTD by comparing the fast forward speed on a densely populated map on different zoom levels. Plus such solution gives you extras like smooth zooming for amost free.

PS: Btw, are you going to render pedestrians? Now that would be awesome

[smallfly]

Also, you should dump the SDL idea in favor of a GPU-accelerated solution - OpenGL or DirectX. This will put many "obscure" platforms out of play, but you will need all the CPU power for gameplay calculations you can get. You can easily see, how CPU intensive is blitting in OTTD by comparing the fast forward speed on a densely populated map on different zoom levels. Plus such solution gives you extras like smooth zooming for amost free.

PS: Btw, are you going to render pedestrians? Now that would be awesome

I really would like to

[Chrill]

Also, the tiles are going to be much smaller than in OTTD, right?

At least this, I can answer. Surely, tiles will be much smaller than in OTTD, seeing how a downtown avenue could easily occupy 10 tiles width

[smallfly]

Also, the tiles are going to be much smaller than in OTTD, right?

At least this, I can answer. Surely, tiles will be much smaller than in OTTD, seeing how a downtown avenue could easily occupy 10 tiles width

At least the default zoom level will be farer than in ottd otherwise you wouldnt see enough objects

[smallfly]

Also, you should dump the SDL idea in favor of a GPU-accelerated solution - OpenGL or DirectX.

But afaik you can tell SDL to use/prefer DirectX/OpenGL instead of CPU blitting, can't you?

[smallfly]

During the last days I created a website for "P1". In the next days I will add all information provided in this thread to the website.

http://www.p1sim.org
http://www.p1sim.de
http://www.p1sim.com

[KillerMapper]

I visited it, and some things:

http://www.p1sim.org/img/wiki_up/trams.jpg

I know it's just a drawing, but trams' rails aren't always like classic rail roads, most of time, it's only rails in the floor or the grass, like this: http://www.funimag.com/temp/DSC_0252.jpg

http://www.p1sim.org/img/wiki_up/railstation.jpg

It's possible to build stations like we want? I mean that we can put the rails and the platforms independently, so for example we can build a station like that:


(2 platfroms, with 3 lines for trains, the middle one can be used for trains which won't stop in this station for example)


Hehe you put my motorway modification

[smallfly]

I visited it, and some things:

http://www.p1sim.org/img/wiki_up/trams.jpg

I know it's just a drawing, but trams' rails aren't always like classic rail roads, most of time, it's only rails in the floor or the grass, like this: http://www.funimag.com/temp/DSC_0252.jpg

You are right, but there are also trams having standard looing rail tracks, so it isnt wrong. But the grass-integrated tram tracks look better and help the user to see the different transport systems, so I will add the integrated tracks, too.

http://www.p1sim.org/img/wiki_up/railstation.jpg

It's possible to build stations like we want? I mean that we can put the rails and the platforms independently, so for example we can build a station like that:


(2 platfroms, with 3 lines for trains, the middle one can be used for trains which won't stop in this station for example)

That will work unproblematically. I will add your picture to the wiki later the day.

[KillerMapper]

You are right, but there are also trams having standard looing rail tracks, so it isnt wrong.

Yeah I know, it's why I said "most of time" ^^

[Sarvesh50]

I hope this is real and not a joke of a teenager with drawing talents or somebody that can code but this will be too hard so dont know about your own capacities.

But if this will become real than ottd will have a less brigther future


2 ****** years?
Man i could be killed or something with the "New" flu around.

And about the development by a game studio why not ?
It would become very popular and it would sell great.
But i prefer the free version of yours

Will be there a map builder or a scenario builder / Could you implement a map builder or a scenario builder.
Disasters would be cool too but this has to be the players choice. Because not everybody likes disasters.
Same for taking over companies.
Also a story mode would be fun but it is not necessary.
But still i want to tell about it it will have some simple missions like achieving something like cash vechiles cities you rule .
Also i would like a option to bind to a city and industry so the other company can use your resources or deliver to your customers.

You can add here http://www.p1sim.org/tiki-index.php?page=Citizen
Going to a mall.

If i have more (Stupid/Great (Everyone has their own taste) ) ideas i will post them.

[KillerMapper]

About relief, it will be like in OTTD?

[smallfly]

About relief, it will be like in OTTD?

I think you mean the geolocical relief, do you? The slopes, their size and angles etc.? At the moment the moment I'm planning to use the same as ottd does, but I'm not sure, if I have to decrease the slope angles so that you can have smoother hills. Perhaps have of the slope angle used in ottd? What do you think?

I hope this is real and not a joke of a teenager (...)

I'm 23 years old. I successfully passed the teenager period

with drawing talents

thanks

or somebody that can code

I do

but this will be too hard so dont know about your own capacities.

It will be too hard. But I'm harder

But if this will become real than ottd will have a less brigther future

OpenTTD is no direct competitor for P1. The games are not comparable. But there will surely be some players changing to P1 because they always missed important features like realistic airports and shipping, features like road traffic and complex road networks, features like ... (ok, I will stop now )

2 ****** years?
Man i could be killed or something with the "New" flu around.

Do you want the game to be realized or do you want somebody telling you to make a great game in 2 months and after that time all he says is "development stopped because I never really wanted to make that game".

And about the development by a game studio why not ?
It would become very popular and it would sell great.
But i prefer the free version of yours

I would prefer the game studio. But a game studio will not offer all the great features in want in a traffic, logistics, city-building simulation.

Will be there a map builder or a scenario builder / Could you implement a map builder or a scenario builder.

Of course, there will be an integrated map editor.

Disasters would be cool too but this has to be the players choice. Because not everybody likes disasters.

Currently planned desasters are:
- fire (fire trucks come)
- demonstrations (police cars come)
- floodings (military units come (helicopters, trucks, troops incl sand bags))

Same for taking over companies.

You can decide yourself if you want to sell shares of your company. Thats not a decision of the server settings.

Also a story mode would be fun but it is not necessary.

Write some sentences about that feature. At the moment I dont know exactly what you mean.

But still i want to tell about it it will have some simple missions like achieving something like cash vechiles cities you rule .

Playing P1 you will be glad to survive. I dont think youll need more targets. But of coure there will be a goal system for users, that like that feature. P1 is for every logistics, traffic, city-building simulation fan, so all important features will be integrated but some of them will be switched off be default.

Also i would like a option to bind to a city and industry so the other company can use your resources or deliver to your customers.

Explain that. Dont get it.

You can add here http://www.p1sim.org/tiki-index.php?page=Citizen
Going to a mall.

Isn't "to go shopping" the same as "going to a mall" ?!

If i have more (Stupid/Great (Everyone has their own taste) ) ideas i will post them.

Thanks! Your ideas are great!