Play canset0.3e with OpenTTD MultiEngines+other Trainsets...

[R-TEAM]

Hi,

to play this very good set with multiengines and the DB-XL-Set and US-Set
and UK-Set [and orginaleng] you musst change few byts in an hex editor in the set :

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Wow, I'm crazy and I edit GRF files in a hex editor!

On the left side is the orginal code, on the right side the modified
code.

Play this good set with other sets and have fun

Regards
R-TEAM

[tb2571989]

Erm...wait...WHAT?

[glx]

R-TEAM: it is a very bad idea to do things like that. If the author decided to code his grf the way he did it, it is his right. And I don't think he will appreciate that you give a way to hack his work.

[belugas]

I have to agree with glx.
You should not rely on such trickeries, no matter what the author did.
You should go on his thread instead and ask him to lift his blocus. At least, he will know and maybe you could come up with a agreement.

[michael blunck]

I know this would happen, although I didn´t think it would happen so soon. Well, just another hint that something is wrong with that OTTD "feature".

regards
Michael

[LordAzamath]

Hmm.. in respect to the set authors can you please remove that code there or any mod (yes, I'm going to report this!)..

This was very bad idea!

[athanasios]

michael blunck: I agree with the first part but not with the last. It is not wrong with OTTD. It is wrong for grf authors to impose rules that will lead 99% of the players either not to use the grf or to modify it.

[Nite Owl]

There is nothing wrong with the feature given that it removes the limits on the number of vehicle ID's that can be used by the game. So if you, michael, wanted the the next version of the DB-XL set to have 400 engines in it you could do so. Think of the possibilities of having more then just 11 ships in the game. Granted these additions would only work in OTTD at the current time but that is another discussion entirely.

The problem here also does not lie in the decision of any grf authors who want their work to stand alone in the current format. Most users can understand the reasoning behind that. Both you and Oz stated your cases perfectly well as to why you would want a given set to either disable other sets or disable themselves if other sets are present. Again - it all makes perfect sense and no rational person is denying your right to make that decision.

Unfortunately what we have here is a perfect example of what can and will happen when a little knowledge becomes a dangerous thing. Is it avoidable? No it is not. I would put it in the same category as someone who writes a virus for your computer or spam e-mails. It is a necessary and essential by product of knowledge being available to anyone who wishes to learn it and apply it. Do we have to like it? No, we do not. Those who are wise enough to avoid using knowledge wrongly will do so. Those who are not so wise will either learn from their mistakes or will be ostracized.

@R-TEAM: To put it in the vernacular - Like, dude, that is so totally uncool.

[michael blunck]

There is nothing wrong with the feature [...]

There is indeed something wrong with that feature, but it´s of no use to discuss the same thing in more than three threads. Further discussion should be directed to:

http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=37812

regards
Michael

[Draakon]

There is no problems what so ever with Engine pool except sorting the trains and the running cost issue.

Now with the problem at hand: Every license in the world, TOS or what ever stuff say, that user is free do modify any part of a product without spreading the modified product nor using a part of that specif product for your own product unless permission is given by the original product maker/author.

Now R-TEAM did a wrong thing with releasing that modified product with out permission(as i think so) but those who garbed the solution while it last, can use it only on their computer.

[AndersI]

Every license in the world, TOS or what ever stuff say, that user is free do modify any part of a product

No.

[Draakon]

Every license in the world, TOS or what ever stuff say, that user is free do modify any part of a product

No.

Did you read fully my post? Guess not.

[AndersI]

Did you read fully my post?

Yes.

[Draakon]

Yes.

So, why the no answer?

[AndersI]

So, why the no answer?

Because you are wrong. It is *not* true that "Every license in the world, TOS or what ever stuff say, that user is free do modify any part of a product", irrespective of the intended use.

[R-TEAM]

Hi,

first i musst sorry for my not so good english, hope this make not too much trouble

Second, nothing on my post was illegal ! [maybe not ethic o.k. for different users...]

I post NOT the modified file and even not an diff file .. only the guide [or an
help] to patch the gfx file to work as a TRAIN SET !

If someone need the file he can mail me in the forum.

Why i`am doing this .......

OpenTTD is a free [OPEN] Game .. he lives from this idea.

If an gfx developer think his set MUSST only use with resricted specs and in
a restricted environment .. then he is maybe better in a commercial, closed-source
project home with encryptet data files and copyright law ....

I see realy no problem leave the gfx-dev the set compatible and say clear on the
DL site and in the docs that for unexpected side effects with multi-engine use
he is NOT the person to mail.

Then the user that like the set alone can use it alone and the user that like it
to use in conjunction with other sets can make this - in remembering that it can
make bugs or other things .....

And please dont come me with "Realism" ... every train set [heck, every airplanes,
cars,train.ship set !] install a unique handling of this realism ....
And the proof of the realism of every set -> "We have it tested and it plays Real ...."

-LOL- [you can not take a pice of the game, play with it parameters, test it with
individuals who every user has a other play style and say "it feels real ...".Only
if the whole Game rebalanced of an basic of data and not feeling it my come closer to real]

I think the best sollution would be ->

Split the train sets in GFX-Data [sprites,cargo handling] and extra data [cost modifi data,
extra add on funktions] and then all gfx-data can be combined and only the
extra-data the user like is added to all train-sets.
[and please remove so silly ideas like force the user to the NG set - this can
easy be added by install one little more ngfx ... and make the trainset not harder to maintaine i think ...]

ahh [forgoten ].. yes, i "hack" with an hex editor, i understand assembler,C and
[but not soo good] C++ and fortran .. so I CAN build an train set without fancy GUI stuff
and text editors ... like the old [good] way ... i have asked in the canset topic to remove
the NG stuff, one of the answers was "..learn coding..", it take me only 30min to understand
the NGFX system with his action parameters, way more easy than assembler.
[dont ask-have no free time for OpenTTD helping-day have still in Germany only 25h ]

R-TEAM

[DaleStan]

I post NOT the modified file and even not an diff file .. only the guide [or an
help] to patch the gfx file to work as a TRAIN SET !

Because posting the instructions that explain precisely how to crack Windows Vista would be so much better than posting a cracked version.

I want some of whatever you're smoking.

OpenTTD is a free [OPEN] Game

Which is irrelevant, as CanSet is not OpenTTD. Now, if you'd posted a diff that caused OpenTTD to load an unmodified CanSet, that would have been a different matter.

If an gfx developer think his set MUSST only use with resricted specs and in
a restricted environment .. then he is maybe better with copyright law

Because the GPL does not rely on copyright law to enforce its provisions?


Actually, come to think of it, I don't want whatever it is you are smoking. I rather like brain cells, thank you.

[Draakon]

Because you are wrong. It is *not* true that "Every license in the world, TOS or what ever stuff say, that user is free do modify any part of a product", irrespective of the intended use.

Oh really? You say that i can't modify any game in any way by adding new weapons and stuff?

[LordAzamath]

Have you ever read any EULAs? Of course you have.. You DID press the accept button, didn't you?
I guess you just pressed it without looking inside.. Most of us here haven't read them. CITATION.. (Ok, maybe DaleStan has.. And the ppl who write EULAs.)

I can't be bothered to cute some, but generally, they forbid modding or changing data even for ppl's own use.

[Draakon]

I can't be bothered to cute some, but generally, they forbid modding or changing data even for ppl's own use.

If this is true, why i haven't seen that a company will take a action against it?