SerbianRailSet(ECS,PBI,FIRS&TouristSet compatible)&scenario

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 03 Dec 2006 11:54

> Indeed, there are no wagons for lumber and plastic. [...] They are working with ECS (tankers transport plastic and flatbeds and gondolas wooden products) but here is really problem.

Just add those additional labels to your cargo translation table.

regards
Michael

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 03 Dec 2006 12:26

But those labels are allready in table (WDPR and PLST).

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 03 Dec 2006 13:08

> But those labels are allready in table (WDPR and PLST).

Check if he used the correct bit values (for WDPR and PLST) then. Otherwise, I don´t know.

regards
Michael

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 03 Dec 2006 14:45

Yes, as I said, probably Pikka could help here. Anyway, thanx, Michael!

EDIT: Pikka indeed haven't coded lumber and plastic as stays in Wiki. In UKRSI lumber is coded as piece goods only instead of bulk and piece goods, and plastic is coded as liquid and piece goods instead of liquid only.

Post by **PikkaBird** » 04 Dec 2006 02:03

That shouldn't mean your wagons can't carry them though, unless you're using extremely restrictive cargo classes.

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 04 Dec 2006 09:37

Unfortunately, it seems I use... For example, I restricted tankers to transport liquids only, because I wanted to exclude dyes from tankers, but obviously I restricted plastic too.

Probably is simillar case with gondolas/flatbeds, I have to re-check code.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Dec 2006 10:47

Pikka indeed haven't coded lumber and plastic as stays in Wiki. In UKRSI lumber is coded as piece goods only instead of bulk and piece goods, and plastic is coded as liquid and piece goods instead of liquid only.

I have "disentangled" the cargo labels table in the Wiki to make this more clear.

@Pikka
Could you please check the entry for "lumber", resp. make a new one for it in the general table? Apparently, "lumber" != ECS´s "WDPR", because this one includes also the "bulk" cargo class (e.g. wood chips).

Likewise, please check "your" plastic cargo. If it´s different to ECS´s one, feel free to generate a new entry. Alternatively, I´d like to introduce the cargo class "piece goods" for ECS´s plastic as well, but this has to be discussed with George and would have to be changed in his sets.

regards
Michael

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 04 Dec 2006 10:55

In ECS there are also cargos which are not coded as stated in Wiki, as I posted here. Probably LV4, UKRS, Planeset etc. are working good with ECS and UKRSI because they have no so restrictive classes like Serbian rail set.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Dec 2006 11:48

> In ECS there are also cargos which are not coded as stated in Wiki, as I posted here.

Ah yes. I didn´t see that and cannot check it out ATM. Well, if your findings are correct, those would be clearly bugs and should be reported to George. Because it seems that he doesn´t read here ATM, did you notify him privately?

> Probably LV4, UKRS, Planeset etc. are working good with ECS and UKRSI because they have no so restrictive classes like Serbian rail set.

Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages (as we see here). A clean solution would be to have it as restrictive as needed for a train set to function properly. O/c that´d rely on the correctness of the cargo definitions supplied by other sets ...

I´d propose to "weaken" the class restrictions for your train set until those cargo sets have been modified.

regards
Michael

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 05 Dec 2006 08:40

michael blunck wrote:> In ECS there are also cargos which are not coded as stated in Wiki, as I posted here.

Ah yes. I didn´t see that and cannot check it out ATM. Well, if your findings are correct, those would be clearly bugs and should be reported to George. Because it seems that he doesn´t read here ATM, did you notify him privately?

I wasn't in contact with him long time, he didn't answer me few mails and even wasn't active in Russian forum. I saw those days he became active in Russian forum, so I contacted him by e-mail today. Now I'm waiting for response here, in ECS thread or in my e-mail inbox.

michael blunck wrote:> Probably LV4, UKRS, Planeset etc. are working good with ECS and UKRSI because they have no so restrictive classes like Serbian rail set.

Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages (as we see here). A clean solution would be to have it as restrictive as needed for a train set to function properly. O/c that´d rely on the correctness of the cargo definitions supplied by other sets ...

I´d propose to "weaken" the class restrictions for your train set until those cargo sets have been modified.

Probably your suggestion is best sollution ATM, and I'll try to change classes restrictivity (risking incorrect behaviour with future new cargos?) of course, if that's possible with cargo table I made, but it's better sollution to keep uniform classes settings for all new cargos using same label IMO.

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 06 Dec 2006 16:03

I had no much choice. I made temporary Hotfix compatible with UKRSI and (most of) ECS. Meantime I'm in contact with George, so I hope ECS bugs will be solved too.

Enjoy!

And please, give feedback.

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 31 Dec 2006 18:21

New Hotfix: 31.12.2006.

- Due to circumstances that Serbian railways bought FIAT 710 railcar from Swedish railways, I decided to include that railcar in set. I replaced shunter 710 with it, to avoid confusions.
- Included new locomotive - Borsig 30. It was strongest steamer ever in Serbian railways.
- Included new EMU - "Leteći Šumadinac" manufactured by GOŠA. It should be "Beovoz" but RVR's EMU was much cheaper.
- Corrected some technical data.
- Added one more livery for short caboose.
- Due to real introduction dates, minimum required Patch is Nightly 2.6.0 r1210.
- Due to some re-coding, set might be compatible with OTTD. Please give feedback about OTTD compatibility here.

Enjoy and happy New Year!

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 10 Feb 2007 15:55

Not new Set Hotfix, but new Scenarios version (0.7): rivers near towns are wide, so you don't need to demolish half of town to build docks.
Enjoy!

EDIT: Added missing industries (V 0.8 ).

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 23 Feb 2007 15:35

New Hotfix: 23.02.2007.

- fixed error in coding under which version set refuses to load;
- added new livery for 641 "Madjarica" diesel locomotive;
- added compatibility for new cargos: uranium, uranium ore and depleted uranium (altough you can't see that until those cargos will be introduced).

Enjoy!

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 27 Feb 2007 15:56

New Hotfix: 27.02.2007.

- fixed availability of steel transporter when steel is not available cargo;
- fixed errors in cargo shown in purchase list for self-unloading wagons.

Enjoy!

wallyweb · Post by **wallyweb** » 01 May 2007 16:12

I just reached into my grab bag and pulled out the Serbian Set to give it some much needed exercise.
The Readme says to set unifiedmaglev 2.
This conflicts with basetunnelsw.grf which requires unifiedmaglev 1.

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 02 May 2007 08:19

Basetunnels are not usable with Serbian set anyway, because there is no support for NG tracks in basetunnels. Certainly, I'll look to see what to do. Thanx for your report!

wallyweb · Post by **wallyweb** » 13 May 2007 19:51

I'VE BEEN ROBBED!

The Berliner Maschinenbau 05 I was using to haul a load of coal had problems with a hill so at the next depot I quickly checked power and TE's and settled for a slower but more powerful Borsig 30. I should have checked the running costs too, but I trusted the builder and he robbed me! All of a sudden all of my profits are gone and I'm making a very fast run towards bankruptcy. The Borsig, in its short life, had cost me over $8,000,000! I checked and it wants $33,554,430 per year to run it!

I told the crew to toss it into the river and use a double head of something less costly!

Any more like this and I might have to call that Canadian guy and try his trains.

Also ******************

Wile E. Coyote wrote:Basetunnels are not usable with Serbian set anyway, because there is no support for NG tracks in basetunnels. Certainly, I'll look to see what to do. Thanx for your report!

The second image shows basetunnels being used with narrow gauge in the Canadian Set.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 14 May 2007 01:04

My Gawd... it might be a ripoff price, but look at the tractive effort... that engine is even stronger than a good modern electric freight locomotive!! Maybe it's worth it to spend so much money in maintenance?

Seriously... are you sure about that 492kN for a 1930-designed steamer?

Methinks it's way too high. Consider the "Blue Tiger" in MB's set has "merely" 517 kN, and that's a massive modern freight hauler.

Wile E. Coyote · Post by **Wile E. Coyote** » 14 May 2007 07:51

Let's try to solve this mess.

About high running costs for Borsig: maybe you have older version, it was bug in RC indeed, I fixed that AFAIK, so try to download set again. If that could not help, please report me again.

About high TE for Borsig: I had no TE for this loco (maybe Michael could help?

), so I left it default. It's highly powerful locomotive with big weight, so default TE is big (probably too big). I've heard one interesting legend of this loco's power, but I don't know is it true: before building Djerdap power station, there was railroad on Danube coast. One locomotive falled in Danube, and they used Borsig to pull loco from river.

About basetunnels: that could cause big problem... I still have no idea how to solve this.

One way could be to re-code whole NG set as Monorail vehicles, and it that way set could be used with unifiedmaglev 1, but it's bunch of job. Any other proposition?

EDIT: Strange, Canset is using unifiedmaglev 2 too AFAIK. (Please, correct me if I'm wrong.)

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