[WIP/REL] Soviet/Russian Set - Test pack 1 is ready

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 14 Aug 2006 22:53

So this was made by MAZ, what is located in Minsk, Belorussia. I heard, they are making trolleys too, not only trucks.

Can you make Ziu-9 ? because they still run in Budapest, Szeged, Debrecen, so all cities which have trolleys, but in Hungary they have Ikarus front and rear lights (because it's cheaper to purchase here).

Will you correct the EP? Here it doesn't work correctly, the driving car and the passanger car aren't compatible.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 15 Aug 2006 11:13

Can you make Ziu-9 ?

Well, I could, and I'd want to, but if someone can explain me how to integerate them in the trolley project.

Will you correct the EP? Here it doesn't work correctly, the driving car and the passanger car aren't compatible.

Sorry, that it took me so long to check. Please explain. I've tried this several times, here's a screen, all combinations work.

wyctor wrote: Easier, but not better. Every time I build an underground line with tram tracks, the trams get into a queue, and i think if you build an underground line, you want to imitate the real underground line feeling, that you have to wait 4-5 minutes to a vehicle, instead of see passing 14 trams after each other.

Well, yes, in Volgograd this tram is called "Speedtram". But in real life even trams got a timetable, only it's not so strict because of traffic jams. So, I think these underground ones are just simple trams, only their line is partly below the ground.

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 15 Aug 2006 12:19

Damage wrote:
Kosov_1986 wrote:Can you make Ziu-9 ?
Well, I could, and I'd want to, but if someone can explain me how to integerate them in the trolley project.

I think i can do the xmls, wyctor explained some things... it has to use EOWROAD1.dat, and anytrack bit have to be 0, it means it can run only on Electric Overhead Wired Road, known as TrolleyBusWay.

You can do the Ziu-9 as a bus, and i change the xml. Is it ok?

wyctor · Post by **wyctor** » 15 Aug 2006 17:14

Kosov_1986 wrote:
Damage wrote:
Kosov_1986 wrote:Can you make Ziu-9 ?
Well, I could, and I'd want to, but if someone can explain me how to integerate them in the trolley project.
I think i can do the xmls, wyctor explained some things... it has to use EOWROAD1.dat, and anytrack bit have to be 0, it means it can run only on Electric Overhead Wired Road, known as TrolleyBusWay.

You can do the Ziu-9 as a bus, and i change the xml. Is it ok?

i've got a basic ZIU-9 3D model, if you can wait until I come back from England, I could do it. and you don't have to change the xml.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 15 Aug 2006 23:42

I can make that too, I've already planned it before and I've got some blueprints. But if you can wait till wyctor arrives, (and I can) I'd better concentrate on other work.

Here's a MTB-82 trolley instead. Please test it, because it worked, but I'm not sure if it everything is fine.

BTW, wyctor, I added your track into the archive (of course if you don't mind). The readme has credits to you and a link to your thread about trolley project.

And iss there a way to make it compaible with earth slopes? I've got some more questions and notes, but is it ok to dig up that trolley thread?

Updated the file. It wasn't working because of some typo in xml. Now the spark works too.

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » 16 Aug 2006 03:24

Damage wrote:Well, the first loco that I'd think of is VL65. Looks similiar, but as you can see it has different number of wheels. Which gauge do Chinese railways use? Maybe they were changed because it was a special order? But IMHO in Loco they'll be just like twins.

VL85 looks similar too.

China railway have 3 different gauge in using,mainline and subway/tram are use standard guage 1435mm,Yunnan province like Vietnam and Thailand use narrow guage 1000mm,some regional local service use 762mm guage

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 16 Aug 2006 21:24

Samuel wrote:
Damage wrote:Well, the first loco that I'd think of is VL65. Looks similiar, but as you can see it has different number of wheels. Which gauge do Chinese railways use? Maybe they were changed because it was a special order? But IMHO in Loco they'll be just like twins.

VL85 looks similar too.
China railway have 3 different gauge in using,mainline and subway/tram are use standard guage 1435mm,Yunnan province like Vietnam and Thailand use narrow guage 1000mm,some regional local service use 762mm guage

Good!
Hungary has normal European gauge, and narrow-gauge too. Narrow gauge is mainly tourist rails, some in Agronomical area carries graine or corn or some fruits, i think, in the past they do.

wyctor · Post by **wyctor** » 17 Aug 2006 09:52

Kosov_1986 wrote: ...
some in Agronomical area carries graine or corn or some fruits
...

IMHO the only narrow gauge railway in Hungary, which is not carrying passengers is the Del-Dunantuli Erdei Vasut, and it carries wood.

Titanik · Post by **Titanik** » 18 Aug 2006 14:40

Trolleybus is great!

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 18 Aug 2006 16:55

Titanik wrote:Trolleybus is great!

Budapest, Hungary's capitol use Ziu-9, Ikarus 280T, 412T, 435T nowdays, but in the past, they used Ziu-5

In the 1950s Budapest used MTB-82 too!

The first trolley in Budapest was the line 70, in 1949, it's 70 because it was the 70th birthday of Stalin. At that time, MTB-82 trolleys run in Budapest, and some Ikarus 60T trolleys, later some Ikarus 60T articulated.
In the 1960s, Ziu-9 trolleys run there, in the 1970s and 1980s Ziu-9 and Ikarus 280T articulated, and Ikarus 284T, but only a prototype.
From the 1990s, Ikarus 435T articulated runs, nowdays, Ziu-9 and IK 280T still runs, and Ikarus 412T, trolley version of low-floor 12 meters long Ikarus city liner bus.

Ikarus 284T (prototype)

The Ikarus 284T, it has rear engine and the axle C is driven, it was a prototype, and sadly some foreigner engineers made that crappy electronics of it, unlike others which use Russian or Hungarian electronic engine, so nobody can translate the plan of the electric engine, so they can't repair it

Ikarus 415T

Ikarus 415T was a prototype in 1992, it did testrun in Hungary, it took part on vehicle shows, in Berlin, Athens, Bratislava. It was sell to a foreign country.
Ikarus 415T wasn't used by Hugary, but Bucarest, Romania and those have Romanian electronics.
And there were a prototype with Russian (dynamo) electronics, which use many part of Ziu-9, but with modern digital electronics, but it was a prototype only.

Ikarus 435T

Ikarus 435 diesel bus has rear engine, and the axle C is driven. But trolley buses are different... their electric engine drive their axle B, unlike the diesel bus version.
There were a prototype, a bi-powered bus, a rear diesel engine, drive axle C, and a middle electric engine drive axle B. But the electronic was made by AEG (or what) and it has many problems, so the trolleybus mode was crappy, they dumb the electronics and use it as Diesel bus in Szekesfehervar, Hungary.

Ikarus 412T

That's a very modern trolleybus, it is trolleybus version of Ikarus 412, a low-floor diesel bus. The prototype of it was Ikarus 411T, and it was 11 meters long, 412T is 12 meters long

(the pic is showing pantograph replace, this bus have electronic engine only, no diesel self-driving engine, so if they go to depot, driver have to replace the pantographs from the overhead cables to the another overhead wires)

In the 1930s, there were a test line but it was a bit primitive, and it used some Hungarian trolleys, but it isn't too important...

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 18 Aug 2006 18:35

Gray and white color railway track. I can post it if somebody wants.

/upd Here you are.

Attention! Backup original files first!

andel · Post by **andel** » 18 Aug 2006 18:40

yes please

busman · Post by **busman** » 18 Aug 2006 21:05

wow just what I wanted snow covered tracks, these will look great in the Cajon Pass route I am working on

chevyrider · Post by **chevyrider** » 18 Aug 2006 21:11

Put this in a new topic, please.
It deserves it , it's good.
Like [Rel]wintertrack.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 18 Aug 2006 21:57

Thanks!

Done.
Now in a separate topic. (along with two climate files, one of them is made long time ago

, guess now it's the right moment to post it)

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 21 Aug 2006 11:02

Oil wells, covered in snow. Should I post it here, in a separate topic, or in the snow track topic?

spaceman-spiff · Post by **spaceman-spiff** » 21 Aug 2006 11:15

Perhaps, this is the thread about vehicles, is it your intention to make other industries snow covered ?

Titanik · Post by **Titanik** » 21 Aug 2006 12:22

spaceman-spiff
It is not off-topic. Simple we are want to create Russian climate for Lomo. So we need new objects and industries too.

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 21 Aug 2006 13:15

Change the topictitle to "Rusian Climate & Vehicles" or something

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 21 Aug 2006 13:22

...is it your intention to make other industries snow covered ?

My answer is: maybe. I'm not sure, which ones will we need for our project. The topic isn't about vehicles only, so maybe I should rename it like "Soviet\Russian Set".

The question is should I post it somewhere else to make it more "accessible".

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