Mini Integrated Nightly [discontinued 31/12/2006]

Niximor · Post by **Niximor** » 14 Jul 2006 20:03

MeTo wrote:Hello,
would it be possible to add this patch to the MiniIN version sometimes, please ?
http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24661
As I have already written in that thread, I have no idea if it is difficult, if that patch is written just for the MiniIN version..... However, that function would be very good if you want to create the road network in cities without random and useless roads built by cities....

I must agree too, this feature could be very usefull in many situations. Of course when somebody don't want it, he will keep it turned off, like everything else :)

sc79 · Post by **sc79** » 14 Jul 2006 20:07

I think it can be useful to limit town growth Rich. Currently, the only way to do so is by buying all the land around it. Also, with or without the town growth patch, the road building AI still has major issues, and even a single serviced station can put a town into massive expansion which you really cant control or take advantage of.

If its easy enough

to merge, I think it would be nice.

SirkoZ · Post by **SirkoZ** » 14 Jul 2006 20:17

sc79 wrote:I think it can be useful to limit town growth Rich. Currently, the only way to do so is by buying all the land around it. Also, with or without the town growth patch, the road building AI still has major issues, and even a single serviced station can put a town into massive expansion which you really cant control or take advantage of.

If its easy enough to merge, I think it would be nice.

Come to think of it, I agree too, although in a way to have town expand by itself to, let's say, 10x10 squares and beyond that only with player-built road...

MeTo · Post by **MeTo** » 14 Jul 2006 20:34

I know that there would not be more and more people in the city.... however... there is no way how to create "an own city".... because sometimes it may look better when a small village stays like a small vilage and does not grow.... and on the other hand when a city grows quickly, but in a normal way, so with a possibility to make a "central park" or something like that, without using millions of "company signs"

Just not to play only because of the transportation, but also a little bit because of creating cities

(city transport is a kind of transport too..) Well.... I know there are some cities on the world, formed by squares so it is reality too.... but it does not look good

Btw, the TownGrowth patch.... is it active automatically ? Because in the game I tried to play, there were useless roads again, especially when there is one line of free squares (for buildings) between a railway station and a road....

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 14 Jul 2006 20:43

Niximor wrote:[Of course when somebody don't want it, he will keep it turned off, like everything else

"Everything else"

Yeah. Right.

Anyone else remember all sorts of furor over the fact that electrified railways can't be turned off?

SirkoZ · Post by **SirkoZ** » 14 Jul 2006 20:53

DaleStan wrote:
Niximor wrote:[Of course when somebody don't want it, he will keep it turned off, like everything else
"Everything else"

Yeah. Right.

Anyone else remember all sorts of furor over the fact that electrified railways can't be turned off?

Indeed - they are just railways with clutter.

meowsqueak · Post by **meowsqueak** » 15 Jul 2006 05:08

The towns still grow, just upwards instead of outwards. You can always build your own roads for horizontal growth.

(I've not tried the patch, just commenting on my way through).

MeTo · Post by **MeTo** » 15 Jul 2006 11:28

meowsqueak wrote:The towns still grow, just upwards instead of outwards. You can always build your own roads for horizontal growth.

(I've not tried the patch, just commenting on my way through).

Yes, that's true, I can build own roads.... but what if I just don't want to build squares ? And small villages.... no, it is useless to write it again because I would write always the same

It looks, nobody sees the reason why this function can be useful

So, maybe later

gkirilov · Post by **gkirilov** » 15 Jul 2006 12:19

richk, there is a problem with the LV3 prices. They are very low. In the nightlies it is fine.

mart3p · Post by **mart3p** » 15 Jul 2006 13:44

gkirilov wrote:richk, there is a problem with the LV3 prices. They are very low. In the nightlies it is fine.

I have just tried this myself and can't reproduce the problem. The purchase costs and running costs that I have checked are the same (within a few pounds) in both the MiniIN and the nightly build. Note that in the MiniIN, if daylength is set greater than 1, the running costs are multiplied by the daylength so are higher, as they should be.

What LV3 GRFs are you using? (I have tried 3LongBusesw.grf, 3ScaniaTrucksw.grf and 3VolvoTrucksw.grf). Maybe it would help if you post your config. file.

gkirilov · Post by **gkirilov** » 15 Jul 2006 14:12

I was investigating this ... and it looks like that the LVs should be after the dbsetxl in the cfg file.
And this is also a problem of the nighlies. Not only in the miniIN.

mart3p · Post by **mart3p** » 15 Jul 2006 14:46

I've now tried this in TTDPatch and it has the same problem. If LV3 is loaded before DBSetXL the LV3 purchase prices are about a quarter of what they should be, if DBSetXL is loaded first the LV3 prices are ok.

I don't think this is a bug as such but an incompatibility between DBSetXL and LV3. At least there is an easy fix for it, load DBSetXL first

.

madman · Post by **madman** » 16 Jul 2006 10:01

I havent used the MINI-IN since 4393 due to university finals so i was a little dissapointed with the latest version (r5476) - i enclose a savegame below but anyway:

the start all button on the vehicle screen doesnt work

I cant disable the new "load, unload" buttons in vehicle orders (this thing is really annoying - it means i cant quickly buy out a computer and un select its stupid "load at a crappy airport in the middle of nowhere" option - in addition im not sure that any of the new buttons are needed - if people want it in PLEASE give me an option to take it out

transferring gold at bank rather than making money - result is appalling rating - this has been an issue before i know - basically armoured trains transporting gold to a bank only transfer it and leave a build up of gold on the station - which gives me an appalling rating.

I havent seen any others yet but frankly those final 2 issues are sufficiently annoying to make me go back to an old IN.

Sorry if im sounding like an arse - im just expressing my frustration

SirkoZ · Post by **SirkoZ** » 16 Jul 2006 10:26

You're not sounding like an arse at all - you should see the 0.4.8 RC1 - it's utter crap (with all due respect) - it doesn't even have YAPF and quite a lot of other bugs (e.g. producing industries don't produce at all

).
It's all really the nightlies', i.e. developers' doing.

Post by **peter1138** » 16 Jul 2006 10:48

Why would a (huge) feature like YAPF be backported to a bugfix release?

Anyway, expect an RC2 soon (heh) to fix the industry issue, amongst others...

SirkoZ · Post by **SirkoZ** » 16 Jul 2006 10:52

peter1138 wrote:Why would a (huge) feature like YAPF be backported to a bugfix release?

Anyway, expect an RC2 soon (heh) to fix the industry issue, amongst others...

Great.

I hope real 0.4.8 isn't far away...

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 16 Jul 2006 17:34

madman wrote:the start all button on the vehicle screen doesnt work

Hmm.. yes, it does look like its broken (again). I'll have to take a look when I get time.

I cant disable the new "load, unload" buttons in vehicle orders (this thing is really annoying - it means i cant quickly buy out a computer and un select its stupid "load at a crappy airport in the middle of nowhere" option - in addition im not sure that any of the new buttons are needed - if people want it in PLEASE give me an option to take it out

I only integrate what Im given; Im not going to spend ages making things optional just because some players dont like the feature. (Making things optional - especially in dialogs - is an absolute pain, and introduces a ton of bugs.)

transferring gold at bank rather than making money - result is appalling rating - this has been an issue before i know - basically armoured trains transporting gold to a bank only transfer it and leave a build up of gold on the station - which gives me an appalling rating.

LOL... not my problem

Your station doesnt touch the bank, so your trains unload, but the bank doesnt accept because its not in the catchment area

See pic.

I havent seen any others yet but frankly those final 2 issues are sufficiently annoying to make me go back to an old IN.

And learn about catchment areas

Sorry if im sounding like an arse - im just expressing my frustration

Been there, done that... took control of Integrated Nightly and kept it up to date.... If you get frustrated, and want a feature optional, then dig into the code, create a patch to make the feature you want optional, and submit the patch for inclusion.

gigajum · Post by **gigajum** » 16 Jul 2006 19:42

madman wrote: I cant disable the new "load, unload" buttons in vehicle orders (this thing is really annoying - it means i cant quickly buy out a computer and un select its stupid "load at a crappy airport in the middle of nowhere" option - in addition im not sure that any of the new buttons are needed - if people want it in PLEASE give me an option to take it out

I did not add it because i had to add the half size of file with only the old window code to have both windows types. And that only to have the old odrer window available? Let's see what i can do.

sidew · Post by **sidew** » 16 Jul 2006 21:37

Richk, now you can remove my Italian Town patch because that is now included on trunk with R5504.

gigajum · Post by **gigajum** » 17 Jul 2006 05:01

gigajum wrote:
madman wrote: I cant disable the new "load, unload" buttons in vehicle orders (this thing is really annoying - it means i cant quickly buy out a computer and un select its stupid "load at a crappy airport in the middle of nowhere" option - in addition im not sure that any of the new buttons are needed - if people want it in PLEASE give me an option to take it out
I did not add it because i had to add the half size of file with only the old window code to have both windows types. And that only to have the old odrer window available? Let's see what i can do.

I took a look at it and noticed that i can't do it really simple. If you switch the fifo patch on and off while having a order window opened, the game creates some glitches. I don't know how they result i only noticed that some disabled buttons became enabled and vice versa. I could easy solve that if there is a patch opton that only allowes to change the patch setting before a game and not while playing. If there are some more then one who do not want to use the fifo loading, i'll look for a solution. Sorry, but if you are the only one you have to live with it, until someone has a simple idea how to solve it.

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