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DJC · Post by **DJC** » 13 Nov 2005 17:59

Lookin good

tubechallenger · Post by **tubechallenger** » 13 Nov 2005 23:52

Matloughe wrote:Thats is correct, the 59TS was based upon the 38TS, don't believe there were any major dimension changes due to the loading guage in the tunnels.

I would presume it was the same size, due to all of these stocks being based upon the 'Standard Stock' which did require the tunnels to be altered to improve clearances. So i would have though they were the same dimensions because of the expense of altering the tunnels.

I think that up to the 72ST were roughly the same size, as i know that the 73ST and 83TS were larger, designed to have the capacity of a 7-Car train in that of 6 Cars and these required some tunnels to be altered for clearance purposes.

I'll check my book and hopefully give you some more info soon.

The 73TS consists of a longer carbody resulting in a higher capacity unit - no changes were made to the tunnels as such. The 92TS does not consist of this carbody for one pure reason (it was originally going to), it would not fit around the Bank / St Pauls curves.

Matloughe · Post by **Matloughe** » 14 Nov 2005 20:24

sorry to argue, lol,
but... lol, there was some 'minor' tunnel re-alignment for the 73TS trains, as is stated in
"The Story of London's Underground" by John R. Day and John Reed, although i believe that these realighnments was more to give a more generous loading guage in tight corners, Knightsbridge-South Ken, Down Street, etc.

Barry · Post by **Barry** » 20 Nov 2005 17:44

Better late than never...

Here's the latest incarnation of the 67/72 TS. All comments welcome. Once again, the colours are not final, just provided to show detail. I'm going to try to do the texturing later this week so I'll let you all know how I get on.

Matloughe · Post by **Matloughe** » 20 Nov 2005 17:50

beautiful... brought a tear to my eye...

Am i right in thinking that the passenger doors on the 72TS were red?
i know the 67TS was all over aluminium.

Good work there, looks great.

Barry · Post by **Barry** » 20 Nov 2005 18:08

There were two types of 72TS (Mk1 and Mk2). Mk1 were originally aluminium overall and Mk2 stock had red doors. In true British fashion, the Mk1 and Mk2 stocks were originally incompatible despite the fact that Mk2 stock was supposedly a copy of the Mk1.

I had been wondering whether I should create different models for Mk1 and Mk2, but I don't think I will. The only reason from a lomo perspective is for different colour schemes on what is basically identical stock.

I'm hoping to start a poll very shortly for colour schemes. I've put a couple of suggestions below. If anyone has any thoughts on this, please post a reply.

1) Original schemes - Aluminium for 59/62/67/72 stocks (with red doors for 72 Mk2)
2) Real life scheme changes - different models with the various colour schemes (like the amazing BR set)
3) Company colours - body one colour, doors the other
4) Company colours - lower body one colour, coloured backing to the windows

LocoMH · Post by **LocoMH** » 26 Nov 2005 16:30

They look really good! But, wouldn't it be better to make them as trams, too? The real Underground needs a lot less space, too, I think (well I've been there few weeks ago). OK, if we think of real sizes, yes, but not, if a town in Locomotion has, let's say, 50 * 50 pixel (can I say this??), then an Underground system must take a lot less space.

Matloughe · Post by **Matloughe** » 26 Nov 2005 20:38

T...Tram...
Heathen how dare you insult the LU by assosiating it with such a lowly form of transport! lol, kidding.

The London Underground is still a railway in it's own right, although it operates 'tube' sized stock i don't think it'd be right if they were for trams. And the whole overhead electrification... nah... lol.

LocoMH · Post by **LocoMH** » 26 Nov 2005 21:43

Okay, you're right, I didn't think of the 3rd rail. But what I wanted to say, just for being more like in reality it would be good. But then there is also the problem that there are no real tram stations at all.

Matloughe · Post by **Matloughe** » 26 Nov 2005 21:47

ok fair enough, but the LU doesn't compare to a tram network the LU is a self-sufficent railway in it's own right, it has been around since the main railway boom.
1860 something for the Metropolitan Railway i think, i jes feel that it is kinda disrespectful to think of it as anythign else other than a railway, but thats me, lol. Wierd.

mcdoof · Post by **mcdoof** » 27 Nov 2005 12:55

LocoMH wrote:Okay, you're right, I didn't think of the 3rd rail.

The LU operates on a 4th rail system.
/pedant

Barry · Post by **Barry** » 27 Nov 2005 16:19

TBH, I was going to make them 3rd rail anyway (in the absence of 4th rail track - mod anyone? hint..hint..lol). I can see what LocoMH was suggesting, but the scale problems are the same for other trains in lomo as well. IRL, LU trains (tube and surface) operate on the same rail gauge as the mainline network and the major difference between tube stock and other "normal" stocks is the height.

Unfortunately, I've been pretty busy over the past week, so haven't had much of a chance to work on the texturing - I'll try to make some progress this week.

LocoMH · Post by **LocoMH** » 27 Nov 2005 17:29

Yes, I know this 4th rail, but, as Barry Keats wrote, it will go as 3rd rail train.

metalangel · Post by **metalangel** » 28 Nov 2005 19:07

1863 the Underground opened. They were eventually running Pullman stock out of Baker Street!

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the part of the Thameslink between King's X and Farringdon was some kind of special line for the Metropolitan - was it the goods line?

Yes, they can (and do) share tracks with 'normal' trains... I remember I was somewhere on the western end of the District Line, and being quite surprised as my tube train pulled away and an NSE train pulled up on the same platform!

Matloughe · Post by **Matloughe** » 28 Nov 2005 21:12

Between King's X and Moorgate the Thameslink lines and the now WAGN services run on the old CWL (City Widened Lines) built by the Metropolitan Railway for the exclusive use of National rail services, back then GW, GN & MR.

Most of the Western Half of the District was actually built by the L&SWR and that is why to this day National Rail services can operate on those lines. East Putney to Wimbledon, and the Richmond Branch of the District spring to mind.

metalangel · Post by **metalangel** » 28 Nov 2005 23:55

This is from the same page as the GWR railcar, I apologize if it's been linked before but I'm finding it utterly fascinating: photographs of old railways as they were around 1950. In this link, the Metropolitan, with both the wooden carriages and with the actual electric loco-hauled trains!

http://dewi.ca/trains/ucs_met.html

Matloughe · Post by **Matloughe** » 06 Dec 2005 18:34

lol, it is cool.

Would have loved to travel on one of those old 'T' Stock trains.

Barry · Post by **Barry** » 09 Dec 2005 13:05

Getting there...

I've finally managed to get one of the models into lomo. I still need to do a lot of work - the angles are slightly off and the texturing is rubbish at the moment, but I wanted to get something into the game and working before I made it look beautiful.

To Do: replace the textures and fix the angles. It currently faces backwards as well.

<grovel>
If anyone would like to volunteer to work on the texturing, I'd really appreciate it. As you can see from the screenie, my own texturing skills are severely limited.
</grovel>

DJC · Post by **DJC** » 09 Dec 2005 15:54

You're making great progress

. I can't help you with texturing but hopefully someone here can.

Illegal_Alien · Post by **Illegal_Alien** » 09 Dec 2005 16:22

I had some experience with texturing msts models. You need to fix the Bogey position on your train in VC. To disolve the overlap bug

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