George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

[George]

But why the trailed model replaced articulated model? I Thought that trailed technology is less effective than articulated bus technology

Don't ask me, ask Fiat

I do not speak italian

Anyway, it's probably because the 410's engine was moved under the pavement (while it was in the front in the 411), so that produced a different balance of weights, needing the trailer to be independent from the front part. As you can see, the 418 adopted the same engine scheme, and was a trailer too.

Ikarus 280 had the engine in the middle, but was articulted. You answer do not count

Anyway, I found a drawing of the trailer 410, here it is. Still looking for pics. And here are some pics of the various version of the 410 (there were many, you can choose which ones you like best if you decide to put the single version too). I'll hopefully come back with a drawing of the single version too, shortly. What would you say?

I'd prepher this one

Ok. That one was the 410 trailer with Viberti bodywork. The chassis was the same as in the drawing I sent you, so that drawing would do the work, I'll try to find some more pics. Might be really hard though. You have difficult tastes, getting pics and drawings for tyhe 418 was a lot easier (j/k!)

[Snail]

Anyway, it's probably because the 410's engine was moved under the pavement (while it was in the front in the 411), so that produced a different balance of weights, needing the trailer to be independent from the front part. As you can see, the 418 adopted the same engine scheme, and was a trailer too.

Ikarus 280 had the engine in the middle, but was articulted. You answer do not count

Well, I got a masters' in economics, not in engineering Anyway, if they switched from articulated to trailers and then back to articulated there must have been some reason. Lancia did the same too, developing a trailer right in those years (here's a pic).

[George]

I'm looking for someone, who could help me with info about Ikarus 620 and Ikarus 55 series (620, 630, 55, 66)

[George]

Which bus looks more as Ikarus 620?

[gl2]

Hello George!

I think, the first version the better. It looks very good!

Laci

[gl2]

Ikarus 620:

length:9348 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2835 mm - 2935 mm
weight:8150 kg
speed:61 - 78 km/h
passenger capacity:22 siting and 38 standing
power:125 hp
manufactured from 1958 to 1972

[Snail]

Sounds cool! Are you planning to put the articulated version too?

[gl2]

Ikarus 630

This is the inter-city version of the 620.

length:9348 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2835 mm - 3600 mm
weight:8250 kg
speed:61 - 78 km/h
passenger capacity:38 siting and 20 standing
manufactured from 1958 to 1972

In this links You can find more photos and door layouts:
http://www.freeweb.hu/buszok/ik620.htm
http://www.freeweb.hu/buszok/ik630.htm


Ikarus 55

Inter-city bus

length:11400 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2847 mm
weight:9500 kg
power:125hp, later 145hp
max speed:99 km/h
manufactured from 1953 to 1972
siting places:44


Ikarus 66

City bus

length:11400 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2847 mm
weight:8700 kg
power:125hp
max speed:61 km/h
manufactured from 1952 to 1973
siting passengers:34

More photos and door layouts about the IK55 and IK66:
http://www.freeweb.hu/buszok/ik55.htm

[George]

I think, the first version the better. It looks very good!
length:9348 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2835 mm - 2935 mm
weight:8150 kg
speed:61 - 78 km/h

620/630?

passenger capacity:22 siting and 38 standing
power:125 hp
manufactured from 1958 to 1972

Vehicle life?

Sounds cool! Are you planning to put the articulated version too?

Both of them. Was there a double-decker?

Ikarus 630. This is the inter-city version of the 620.
length:9348 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2835 mm - 3600 mm
weight:8250 kg
speed:61 - 78 km/h

?

passenger capacity:38 siting and 20 standing
manufactured from 1958 to 1972

Vehicle life?

Ikarus 55. Inter-city bus
length:11400 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2847 mm
weight:9500 kg
power:125hp, later 145hp

When was the change?

max speed:99 km/h
manufactured from 1953 to 1972

Vehicle life?

siting places:44
Ikarus 66. City bus
length:11400 mm
width:2500 mm
height:2847 mm
weight:8700 kg
power:125hp
max speed:61 km/h
manufactured from 1952 to 1973

Vehicle life?

siting passengers:34

Standing?

More photos and door layouts about the IK55 and IK66:
http://www.freeweb.hu/buszok/ik55.htm

Thanks, but I already have photos from there. Unfortunately, they do not provide english version.

[zero1000]

some info in german: http://www.ikarus311.de/history.htm
1952: prototype of ikarus 66 presented
1954: start of manufacturing of models 55/66 (16.715 units until 1973)
1959: introducing of models 620/630 (further development of 60/601/602)

[George]

some info in german: http://www.ikarus311.de/history.htm
1952: prototype of ikarus 66 presented
1954: start of manufacturing of models 55/66 (16.715 units until 1973)
1959: introducing of models 620/630 (further development of 60/601/602)

Thank you, but I could not find missing data there

[George]

Well, I've finished Ikarus 620. I'd like to see your comments before I do its' modifications.

I also post the comparation between my variant and variant of Greyfur. What should I do? Keep both? Separate them somehow?

[Snail]

Hi George,
I just found some additional info about the 410 trailer.

What I found is a couple of pics, showing the front-right and the front-left sides of the bus, and another drawing which includes front and rear, too.
The picture refers to the suburban version (2-doors) and the drawing to the urban version (4-doors). You'll find another pic of the bus in another livery here.

All this stuff relates to one of the two models which existed, with bodywork produced by a firm called OMS. The one "dressed" by Viberti (this one) was built on the same chassis; here is another pic, with a different front. The only differences between OMS and Viberti are those you see in the pic.

Production of the trailer version of the 410 went historically from 1966 to 1973.

I will hopefully come back with a drawing of the two-axle 410 asap. In the meantime I might find some info about a truck, built by Lancia in the early 1950's. Here are a couple of pics...
http://www.viberti.it/azie/archivio/foto51.jpg
http://www.negri.it/media/libri/camione ... au_112.jpg
http://www.aritaly.net/gallfoto/foto/au ... musone.jpg
I'll come back to you with some drawings and info as soon as I can.

Cheers
Snail

[George]

I just found some additional info about the 410 trailer.
Production of the trailer version of the 410 went historically from 1966 to 1973. I will hopefully come back with a drawing of the two-axle 410 asap.

Thanks. I think I shall draw it someday. but it is low in the todolist

In the meantime I might find some info about a truck, built by Lancia in the early 1950's. Here are a couple of pics...
I'll come back to you with some drawings and info as soon as I can.

As I remember, we were loking for a truk from 1945. When was that truck produced?

[Wile E. Coyote]

Well, I've finished Ikarus 620. I'd like to see your comments before I do its' modifications.
I also post the comparation between my variant and variant of Greyfur. What should I do? Keep both? Separate them somehow?

Keep both as two liveries, both looking excellent

[George]

I need Hungarian to English translation about Ikarus 620. Previously it was here http://autobusz.budapest.hu/elsaut_ik620_at.htm, but I do not know where is it now. But I can send the page I saved before. Well, indeed I do not need a translation, but the information about the alternative variants of ik620. I mean characteristics and names.

[DanMacK]

George, any possibility of a version of the short NA Bus set being released so it doesn't require the AI manager? The "All or none" scheme of the current LV's is a PITA to say the least if one doesn't want to use all of them. I'll host the "Non-LV" version on my website if you like.

[George]

George, any possibility of a version of the short NA Bus set being released so it doesn't require the AI manager?

Well, if you'll look carefully, none of the LV files require AIManager strongly. The AIManager requirement is a warning only. Any LV file reports it, but runs well even without it. It was intended. AIManager itself is the only file that requires other files strongly and deactivates itself if something missing

The "All or none" scheme of the current LV's

All is not a must

is a PITA

What is PITA?

to say the least if one doesn't want to use all of them.

Everyone can

I'll host the "Non-LV" version on my website if you like.

I do not want LongbusesNA and LongBusesNAtruncated have different code. It is possible to have the following solutions

1. 1) you can write a readme file
   2) I can code it that way, that if LongBusesNA is the only file from LV set, which is loaded, it would generate no warning (It will generate warnings if there is at least one more LV file is loaded)

Also, maybe you could do truncated version for all the LV set?

[George]

Who can fid the length fpr articulated Ikarus 620 with single rear wheels? A version with 2 rear wheels is 16400mm.
Who knows, were there doubledecker 620?

[gl2]

Who can fid the length fpr articulated Ikarus 620 with single rear wheels? A version with 2 rear wheels is 16400mm.
Who knows, were there doubledecker 620?

Hello George!

The length of the single rear wheel articulated 620 is 15450mm, and the type is IC-620.The first bus was placed to traffic in 1962 June 1, and removed in 1968