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SkeedR · Post by **SkeedR** » 02 Jul 2005 17:41

Stupid quetion: Whats new?!

Good question: i have been to the site recently but there seems to be an invisible update, could you tell me what or where it is please?

EDIT: i will try never to be rude again!

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 03 Jul 2005 00:07

Do you want your head in a tray or what!?
Follow M.Blunck's page updates to know, and if you can't find something, use manners to ask:

"The page says there's an update but I can't find it, where is it, please?"

Raichase · Post by **Raichase** » 03 Jul 2005 01:17

weirdy wrote:Whats new?!

Posts like this will be removed. I want to see you release a complete nations railway set, as well as numerous stations, trains and other projects before you can even come close to posting anything like this.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 03 Jul 2005 07:38

I think he was refering to the fact that he cannot find any "new stuff" although the page said it was updated from the time he visited last ...

Well, I´ve begun working on v0.83 of the DB Set and there have been some updates to the engine list.

The list so far:

- E36 (bav. EP 3/6), electric passenger locomotive of 1914 (TTD: 1920) in cream/green livery of the K.Bay.Sts.B., as well as in blue-grey livery of the der DRG, [allowing light passenger services as early as 1920 with 80 km/h]

- Gt 4x4 (BR96), heavy articulated (Mallet) steamer of 1914 (TTD:?) in green livery of the K.Bay.Sts.B., as well as in black livery of the DRG, [an early slow but very strong freight engine, very expensive though

]

- E91 (BR191), articulated three-part electric of 1925 in brown livery of the K.Bay.Sts.B., as well as in blue-grey livery of the DRG and in green livery of the DB, [another early slow but very strong freight engine, very expensive as well]

- E18 (BR118), electric express locomotive of 1935 in blue-grey livery of the DRG, as well as in green, blue and cream/blue livery of the DB, [a very expensive way to have early fast passenger sarvices w. 150 km/h, this engine is one of the classics of german railways]

- ET41, electric express passenger railcar/train set of 1928 in cream/red livery of the DR as well as in red livery of the DB, [I´ll shift the ET-87 back to 1920 (originally it´s of 1914) w. 70km/h and will introduce this one in 1928 w. 100km/h]

- VT137 also in blue "F-Zug" livery of the DB, [it was used still in DB times, though not very common due to the advent of VT08s and VT11s]

- BR101 also in the special livery of the "Metropolitain", [another "special" service for the later years]

- novel coaches for the "Ruhrschnellverkehr" services of the thirties,
- novel express coaches in "Metropolitain" livery.

HTH

regards
Michael

lobster · Post by **lobster** » 03 Jul 2005 20:10

sounds awesome Michael!

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 03 Jul 2005 20:42

Nicely done... the E18 has always been an engine which really ought to be in your set, I wonder why you didn't introduce it earlier

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 03 Jul 2005 23:31

Michael, looking great man as always!

One thing I'm actually surprised isn't in the set is a 2-10-0 of some sort like a Class 50.

uzurpator · Post by **uzurpator** » 04 Jul 2005 00:22

yea - Kriegslok is still missing

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 04 Jul 2005 01:08

Well, there's already a 2-10-2

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Jul 2005 08:22

@snail

> [E18] I wonder why you didn't introduce it earlier

Well, simply to avoid problems like when I introduced the BR103 a long time ago.

This engine had been a "quantum leap" for its time, just like the 103 and thus is hard to balance in a game. Only now when there´s much more variety of vehicles (e.g. there´s the ET-11 running 150 km/h as well in 1935) and a more sophisticated price scheme I´m able to handle it in a proper way.

@DanMack

> One thing I'm actually surprised isn't in the set is a 2-10-0 of some sort like a Class 50.

Yeah. The famous class 50´s are missing, true. OTOH, as Snail pointed out, there´s already the BR45 which was even more powerful but built only in small numbers. O/c the class 50 had been far more important, but should I drop the 45 now?

@Uzurpator

> yea - Kriegslok is still missing

Indeed. And there are many other interesting and important steamers missing as well, e.g. the 44.

But anyway, having used up nearly all veh-IDs, it´s too late.

regards
Michael

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 04 Jul 2005 10:15

Michael,
IMO, drop the 45 for the Kriegslok (Class 50), if you have a spare ID, you can always throw the 45 back into the mix. I think the 50 would better represent the set though. Then again, I'm biased... the Class 50's my personal favourite DB steam locomotive

The Irish · Post by **The Irish** » 04 Jul 2005 10:25

Hi Michael,

Sounds great. Can't wait for the update.

Any chance of getting the ET423 into the set as well? And I would like to see the regional coaches able to refit to DoStos in the later years as well.

Any ideas on this?

CZAR ALEKSANDER · Post by **CZAR ALEKSANDER** » 04 Jul 2005 11:24

hello Michael:

I would like to ask if you ever finished the new ship set X and if so or not can you tell me if there is any way to aheva new large Passenger ship
for earlier years of the game from about 1925 to 1985 until the new large
liner come into game play, the passenger ship for the time period should carry about 280 passengers please let me know what you thnk about the idea.

thanks
Aleksander

lobster · Post by **lobster** » 04 Jul 2005 14:14

isn't there some way to just throw out all those damn planes, boats and buses (i never use those things actually) and use those ID's? probably not huh. but if there's a possibility, you could create the DB-"light"-set and the DB-"full"-set.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 04 Jul 2005 14:16

No, you can't share the slots from different vehicles types. Otherwise there would be more ships, and fewer trucks.

lobster · Post by **lobster** » 04 Jul 2005 16:15

ah, there goes my brilliant plan. bummer.

jvassie · Post by **jvassie** » 04 Jul 2005 16:27

Im really looking forward to the DB101 in metropolitan livery with coaches, saw it once and thought it looked real cool!

Oh yeah, and Michael, can we use those sprites i asked you about?

Cheers
James

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 04 Jul 2005 20:45

DanMacK wrote:Michael,
IMO, drop the 45 for the Kriegslok (Class 50), if you have a spare ID, you can always throw the 45 back into the mix. I think the 50 would better represent the set though. Then again, I'm biased... the Class 50's my personal favourite DB steam locomotive

Well firstly, the BR50 was never a "Kriegslok" (war locomotive), you´re possibly refering to the BR52. And secondly, there wasn´t only the war locomotive but there were a full range of them. O/c, the BR52 was the most famous of the "steam war locomotives" class (KDLs, = Kriegsdampflokomotive).

During wartime, the BR44 and BR50 designs were simplified as ÜK (Übergangs-Kriegslokomotive, = interim war locomotive) until by 1941 it was clear that even these stripped-down designs were still too complicated, expensive, time-consuming to build, etc, so new KDL designs were developed, e.g. the lightweight BR52 (KDL-1) and the intermediate weight BR42 (KDL-3).

Apart from their simplified design and cheaper production, those KDLs were especially layed out for the poorly maintained track and the lower grade coal found in war regions in the east (mainly Russia). In addition, because of shortage of water in those regions, many were equipped with a condensing tender.

To be precise, there were 13 series of KDLs:

- KDL-1 was to be the BR 52 (> 6000 units built during the war years 1943 and 1944),
- KDL-2 was to be known as BR 534.0 and to be used in Bohemia and Moravia,
- KDL-3 was to be the BR 42 (844 units built),
- ... diverse smaller steamers

- KDL-9 to 13 were narrow-gauge locomotives.

Besides from KDLs, there were also 7 series of KMLs (diesels) (e.g. V20 and V36 but also the famous V188
double locomotive built for the railway gun "Dora").

In addition, there were 9 series of electrics (KEL):

- KEL-1 (E44)
- KEL-2 (E94)
- KEL-3 ???
- KEL-4 to KEL-9 were narrow-gauge engines.

OK, now to answer your question.

Surely, the BR50 is a very important engine, if only from history: the sheer amount which had been built (>3100 units, with 2,563 still in service with the DB after the war) and the vast number of renown lovomotive builders involved: Henschel, Schwartzkopff, Krupp, Krauss-Maffei, Borsig, Orenstein & Koppel, Schichau, Jung, Esslingen, but also Floridsdorf (Austria), Couillet, Franco-Belge and others (Belgium), CKD, Skoda (Czechoslovakia), DWM Poznan (Poland), etc.

It´s also an attractive engine for some technical details. One for sure is its german equivalent of the American caboose for freight trains: the famous cabin tender.

On the downside, the BR50 is nothing special in TTD terms, neither for speed, nor for power nor tractive effort. Instead, none of the renown benefits of this class could be modelled in TTD, be it its relatively light axle loading of 15 tons allowing to haul fairly heavy freight trains on trackage off the main lines or its good accelaration which made it especially useful on short lines with frequent stops, or its ability to reach its speed of 80 km/h equally well in both directions of travel, i.e., conventional or tender first, circumventing the need for turn tables.

In conclusion, I´m not sure how to proceed. Let´s see.

regards
Michael

Spaceball · Post by **Spaceball** » 04 Jul 2005 22:38

jamesvassie wrote:Im really looking forward to the DB101 in metropolitan livery with coaches, saw it once and thought it looked real cool!

Oh yeah, and Michael, can we use those sprites i asked you about?

Cheers
James

I have drawn Metropolitan Coaches for the DB Passenger Set. I also started a BR101 for the coaches but I never finished it. If you want to use my Metropolitan Coaches do it. If I can finish the Metropolitan BR101 within the next few days it will be released as a GRF File. But I think it will take at least 2 Weeks. I think it might be better to wait for Michaels Metropolitan, he might will release it earlier with the next DB Set Release.

cu, Spaceball

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 05 Jul 2005 07:04

Spaceball wrote:[...] If I can finish the Metropolitan BR101 within the next few days it will be released as a GRF File. [...]

To get refittable liveries for its coaches that 101 would have to be part of the DBXL. And only then would the engine will be livery-refittable like the 110 is. I don´t think that a standalone 101 will be useful.

regards
Michael

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