Non 3D TTD clone - someone interested?

[Vernon Moorhouse]

In article <86imee$u1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Eddie Bernard
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> writes

Spider <askme...@myrealaddress.com> wrote in message
news:s8pk4epkeh684@corp.supernews.com...
Do you think a spam-bot'll pick that address up and give Ens's mailbox
hell
for us???

An excellent idea. I'll start posting as someone else with the email
address
enschec...@aol.com
And at the current rate of email spamming...it won't be too long.
Hehehehe!

Now THATS pure cruelty.
Could I take some lessons from you?

Hehehe! I can't take all the credit for this idea. 'T'was Christie!
I'm reminded of a very old film "10 Rillington Place" Anyone heard of it?

"Christie did it!"

Being one of the 'elder statesman' here, yes I have seen it. Not a bad

film - quite a graphic execution scene as I recall (though that was
Timothy Evans) - sad detail alert, in Pierrepoint's memoirs he reckoned
it took 12 seconds, on screen it took about twice that. You never saw
Christie get the drop though.
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Vernon Moorhouse

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[Graham Cox]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:33:50 +0200, "Chris Becke" <chr...@mvps.org>
Gave forth this really invaluable piece of information:

haj...@my-deja.com> wrote:

Now, I'm just curious if I'll becoming flamed or praised

DOS is I think somewhat pointless. 16bit operatins systems and enviroments
are just such a pain, and DOS extenders are just such a hack.

Win32 is necessary if you want to support the non-linux crowd.

And if you don't use things like DirectX you can run that under Linux,
using WINE. This is the problem with 3DTT and TTDLX, because TTDLX
uses DOS, and 3DTT uses OpenGL, neither of which work under WINE as
far as I know.
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my personal authorization then I will be writing to the relavent
authorities with enough complaints to get you in serious trouble.

Sorry the sig is too long

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Graham Cox schrieb in Nachricht <388b4186.5960...@news.freeserve.co.uk>...

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:33:50 +0200, "Chris Becke" <chr...@mvps.org
Gave forth this really invaluable piece of information:

haj...@my-deja.com> wrote:

Now, I'm just curious if I'll becoming flamed or praised

DOS is I think somewhat pointless. 16bit operatins systems and enviroments
are just such a pain, and DOS extenders are just such a hack.

Win32 is necessary if you want to support the non-linux crowd.

And if you don't use things like DirectX you can run that under Linux,
using WINE. This is the problem with 3DTT and TTDLX, because TTDLX
uses DOS, and 3DTT uses OpenGL, neither of which work under WINE as
far as I know.

Hey, I am already not using Direct3D, but SOMETHING I have to use for 3D.
Maybe there will be a Linux version someday, I tried to keep the code
portable. And since OpenGL does exist on Linux, too...

But do not expect anything of this before 2002!

Peter

[Eddie Bernard]

Christie Lewis <christiele...@worldmailer.com> wrote in message
news:86nmv7$8jl$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...

Since I unspamtrapped my address, yer wouldn't believe the amount of stuff
I
get in my mailbox...

Same here.
Wanna see my email killfile (ooer!)

mailro...@oldeagle.com
aero...@xoommail.com
K...@gromit1.demon.co.uk
rodman...@hotmail.com
listsupp...@internet.com
p...@vilias.com
char...@compspec.com
g...@free.fr
inter...@inetopport.com
cha...@wxs.nl
bejenk...@juno.com
wee...@whatUseek.com
make easy money @aol.com
make.easy.mo...@aol.com
M...@mail.com
7696tact...@usa.net
joverhul...@netzero.net
plane...@loadmail.com
theprog...@freewwweb.com
tohe...@yahoo.com
advan...@ADVAN.NET
e...@eze8l1.net
jmcca...@victoryresource.com

Loads of idiots who have sent me spam email.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Eddie Bernard schrieb in Nachricht <86nqf8$3a...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...

Christie Lewis <christiele...@worldmailer.com> wrote in message
news:86nmv7$8jl$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
Since I unspamtrapped my address, yer wouldn't believe the amount of
stuff
I
get in my mailbox...

Same here.
Wanna see my email killfile (ooer!)

[snip]

Loads of idiots who have sent me spam email.

This is not necessary. It seldom occurs that you receive spam twice from the
same address.
I killfiled "money", "free" and "$" and "000". This is OK for the most
common spam in e-mail and usenet.
Fortunately my new provider seems to have a spam-filter. I almost have seen
no spam since then. Almost. Some hard core remains always.

There are some mails requesting a reply with "remove" to not receive e-mail
again. I never replied and never heard again from that address anyway.

I am very pleased that the few spams in the past did not cause threads.

Peter
--
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http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

[Spider]

This is not necessary. It seldom occurs that you receive spam twice from
the
same address.

Now thats 100% true.

I killfiled "money", "free" and "$" and "000". This is OK for the most
common spam in e-mail and usenet.

The smart ones do not put such stupid lines in the subject line.

Fortunately my new provider seems to have a spam-filter. I almost have seen
no spam since then. Almost. Some hard core remains always.

Thats basically my situation.

There are some mails requesting a reply with "remove" to not receive e-mail
again. I never replied and never heard again from that address anyway.

Hmm. I've done that on some newsletters I had received...seems to work..

I am very pleased that the few spams in the past did not cause threads.

Yeah, almost a waste of time..
--Spider--

[Guest]

In article <388b4186.5960...@news.freeserve.co.uk>,
cox_@_grahama99_._freeserve_._co_._uk wrote:

Win32 is necessary if you want to support the non-linux crowd.

And if you don't use things like DirectX you can run that under Linux,
using WINE. This is the problem with 3DTT and TTDLX, because TTDLX
uses DOS, and 3DTT uses OpenGL, neither of which work under WINE as
far as I know.

What are you talking about ?

Simu is a native X-Windows application. No need to use WINE or something
else to get it running with Linux. I've testet it with Solaris and HP-UX
as well and it runs fine on every X-Windows/unix system I have access
to.

The DOS port was jut to suit the gamers world.

c.u. Hajo

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[Bill Hayles]

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:31:35 GMT, cox_@_grahama99_._freeserve_._co_._uk
(Graham Cox) wrote:

And if you don't use things like DirectX you can run that under Linux,
using WINE. This is the problem with 3DTT and TTDLX, because TTDLX
uses DOS, and 3DTT uses OpenGL, neither of which work under WINE as
far as I know.

Won't TTDLX work under DOSEMU under Linux? I'm asking because I've
found myself with an old spare hard disk, so I've dusted off my Linux
disks and started to play with it again. It would be worth knowing if
it was worth trying.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Graham Cox]

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:52:19 +0100, "Peter J. Dobrovka"
<dobro...@t-online.de> Gave forth this really invaluable piece of
information:

Hey, I am already not using Direct3D, but SOMETHING I have to use for 3D.
Maybe there will be a Linux version someday, I tried to keep the code
portable. And since OpenGL does exist on Linux, too...

I didn't know OpenGL was on Linux. Where do you get it?
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[Graham Cox]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:05:00 GMT, haj...@my-deja.com Gave forth this
really invaluable piece of information:

What are you talking about ?

Simu is a native X-Windows application. No need to use WINE or something
else to get it running with Linux. I've testet it with Solaris and HP-UX
as well and it runs fine on every X-Windows/unix system I have access
to.

The DOS port was jut to suit the gamers world.

Sorry. I've just recieved the message where you actually said that,
and so the previous post didn't make much sense after reading it.
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[Graham Cox]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:50:22 +0100, Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> Gave
forth this really invaluable piece of information:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:31:35 GMT, cox_@_grahama99_._freeserve_._co_._uk
(Graham Cox) wrote:

And if you don't use things like DirectX you can run that under Linux,
using WINE. This is the problem with 3DTT and TTDLX, because TTDLX
uses DOS, and 3DTT uses OpenGL, neither of which work under WINE as
far as I know.

Won't TTDLX work under DOSEMU under Linux? I'm asking because I've
found myself with an old spare hard disk, so I've dusted off my Linux
disks and started to play with it again. It would be worth knowing if
it was worth trying.

No it won't, which is a pain. The problem is that DOSEMU is a
Protected mode application, and TTDLX needs to run under real mode
DOS. It may work under VMWARE, but It will be very slow. HTH
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[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Graham Cox schrieb in Nachricht <3893115a.9726...@news.freeserve.co.uk>...

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:52:19 +0100, "Peter J. Dobrovka"
dobro...@t-online.de> Gave forth this really invaluable piece of
information:


Hey, I am already not using Direct3D, but SOMETHING I have to use for 3D.
Maybe there will be a Linux version someday, I tried to keep the code
portable. And since OpenGL does exist on Linux, too...

I didn't know OpenGL was on Linux. Where do you get it?

http://www.mesa3d.org/

You didn't know?

Peter
--
Die 3. Dimension der Strategiespiele:
http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

[Guest]

The game looks nice.
I'll sure want to download it, but my knowlage at German is as low as
possible.

Can you make an English version? For people like me?


In article <8695sp$jj...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
haj...@my-deja.com wrote:

Hi,

I'm working on a ordinary, tile-based TTDLX clone. This will not be
3D.
By now the basic stuff works, i.e. building roads, railroads and
stations, buying cars and trains and transporting cargo with the
vehikels works. Basic industry is also also done.

Reading all the talking about 3DTT, I'm unsure if I've done the right
thing to make this a non 3D program?

Peter (chief architect of 3DTT) made me aware of this newsgroup, so I
take the chance and ask: Is there someone interested in a non 3D
TTDLX
clone?

If you wan't to see, what I'm talking about, take a look at:
(Until I find a better name the thingy is called "simu" as a short of
"transport simulation".)

Introduction and two Screenshots:
http://members.rotfl.com/hjm/simu/simu.html

Manual and Documentation:
http://members.rotfl.com/hjm/simu/simdoc/simdoc.html

-> Unfortunately, at the moment, the game and all cocumentation is
german only, but the screenshots should be viewable in any language


The current version of the program can be downloaded from:
http://hajo.homepage.com/english/downloads.html#top

Peter told me to make an english version ASAP but besides working on
the
game, there's nearly no time to translate all the stuff in a
reasonable
time. But if there are enough complaints, I'll make it english for
sure!

An localized/internationalized version of the game will come for
sure,
but up to now there was too much basic work to be done.

Now, I'm just curious if I'll becoming flamed or praised

c.u.
Hajo

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[Hansjoerg Malthaner]

In article <87ehog$2q...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
eaber...@ort.org.il wrote:

The game looks nice.
I'll sure want to download it, but my knowlage at German is as low as
possible.

Can you make an English version? For people like me?

Sure

A first translated version is already out there. Its version number is
v0.64a

You can download it from:
http://hajo.homepage.com/english/download.html

If downloading doesn't work, just send me an e-mail, and I'll e-amil a
copy of Simu back to you.

This version is about one week old, in the meantime I found three
untranslated messages, and a few bugs. The next version will be released
next monday (februray 7th).

I have also started to translate the documentation, the "overview" page
and the "known bugs & future plans" page are already translated. I hope
to get the user manual translated until february 21st.

If you want to take a look at my simulation, follow this url:
http://members.rotfl.com/hjm/english/simu/simu.html
(The manual is not yet translated to English, so I want to apologise for
the broken link to the manual).

Hajo



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[Graham Cox]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:31:58 +0100, "Peter J. Dobrovka"
<dobro...@t-online.de> Gave forth this really invaluable piece of
information:

Hey, I am already not using Direct3D, but SOMETHING I have to use for 3D.
Maybe there will be a Linux version someday, I tried to keep the code
portable. And since OpenGL does exist on Linux, too...

I didn't know OpenGL was on Linux. Where do you get it?


http://www.mesa3d.org/

You didn't know?

Yes I did. I was thinking Glide, and getting my stuff all mixed up. My
mistake.
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[Phillip Michael Jordan]

Graham Cox <cox_@_grahama99_._freeserve_._co_._uk> wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:31:58 +0100, "Peter J. Dobrovka"
dobro...@t-online.de> Gave forth this really invaluable piece of
information:


Hey, I am already not using Direct3D, but SOMETHING I have to use for
3D.
Maybe there will be a Linux version someday, I tried to keep the code
portable. And since OpenGL does exist on Linux, too...

I didn't know OpenGL was on Linux. Where do you get it?


http://www.mesa3d.org/

You didn't know?

Yes I did. I was thinking Glide, and getting my stuff all mixed up. My
mistake.

Glide also works on Linux...
Actually, Mesa isn't REAL OpenGL, it only works on 3Dfx chips AFAIK

--
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laugh
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[Graham Cox]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:52:22 +0100, "Phillip Michael Jordan"
<pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> Gave forth this really invaluable piece
of information:

Yes I did. I was thinking Glide, and getting my stuff all mixed up. My
mistake.

Glide also works on Linux...
Actually, Mesa isn't REAL OpenGL, it only works on 3Dfx chips AFAIK

That one I didn't know about
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