Busses and other stuff for new graphics engine

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 31 May 2005 14:19

Cargo ship must be at least 4 tiles long (TT ships were way too small)

Passenger\Mail ships can remain at size of 2\3 tiles, so they can swim a rivers, y'know, smaller passenger ships would look much better

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 31 May 2005 17:31

well a 100m ship IMO should remain 100 meters long, 4 tiles is not to large.

however an oil tanker of 300m would scare the crap out of me.

Alltaken

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 31 May 2005 17:53

Alltaken wrote:however an oil tanker of 300m would scare the crap out of me.

How long would it take to full load?

Sellu · Post by **Sellu** » 31 May 2005 18:05

Four tiles long ship would take A LOT of sprites to make it look smooth on curves.. Besides the ship is 411 m long not some pity 300m bucket

I don't understand why it should be in same scale with the trains and busses when its not technically possible with any 2d engine.

In my opinion the engine has to be planned so well that any real vehicle can be implemented.

As I said why not to make two scales, one for huge ships and one for 100m or less. 100m or less could be in same scale with busses if player decided so.

LKRaider · Post by **LKRaider** » 31 May 2005 18:44

In my opinion the engine has to be planned so well that any real vehicle can be implemented.

A logarithmic progression scale is more universal than a two scale system, IMO.

Sellu · Post by **Sellu** » 31 May 2005 20:03

And what does it help? Nothing is precisely on same scale with busses and trains. For example containers on deck of loaded ships will have to be resized in every ship and it isn't still very realistic to have bigger containers on some ships compared to others IMO.

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 01 Jun 2005 08:45

A 16 tile long ship would rock my world

Korenn · Post by **Korenn** » 01 Jun 2005 12:27

it would also be 3-4 tiles wide...

I agree with Sellu, the logarithmic progression scale might allow for one scale for all vehicles, but you'll end up with hundreds of differently sized containers for all of them. having one or two scales makes that a lot less.

Sellu · Post by **Sellu** » 01 Jun 2005 15:33

Ok some new vehicle for instance:
--M/V Golar Freeze

Type: LNG gas carrier
Length: 274m
Width: 43.4m
Built: 1977
Capacity: 125.000 m3
Real owner: Golar Gas Operations Inc.

mic006fr · Post by **mic006fr** » 01 Jun 2005 16:11

As always, very impressive !

For global scaling, logarithmic scale should be the best compromise : objects of very different scale (big big boats against bus / lorry containers) can be seen on the same view.
And all containers can have the same size. One boat (log scale) cannot have as many containers on it as in real scale, but the visual effect would be very good I think.

Just my .02 € (sorry for English mistakes, I do as I can)

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 01 Jun 2005 17:04

Why not just let these "super" ships keep their size but make them expensive, requiring expensive larger harbours and only able to fare in deep water areas and open sea.

LKRaider · Post by **LKRaider** » 01 Jun 2005 17:53

It would be nice if water depth could be implemented (or, at least two or three depths)

Those ships are looking very nice

Sellu · Post by **Sellu** » 01 Jun 2005 18:05

I think there could be three different load variations with different depths.
I am just curious how will the depth change when the gas carrier is filled with helium

Korenn · Post by **Korenn** » 01 Jun 2005 23:39

the helium will be under pressure and will weigh a lot, so I'm guessing the same happens as with normal cargo.

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 02 Jun 2005 05:16

Sellu wrote:I think there could be three different load variations with different depths.
I am just curious how will the depth change when the gas carrier is filled with helium

the load levels can be done like this.

3 different alpha channels (same original sprite they are overlayed) defining the underwater section of the boat. and then just a pixel offset (downwards) for the game to make the boat actually go downwards.

this will save a heck load of memory in the game i would think, since the alpha overlays need to only be B/W

nice stuff though

Alltaken

Sellu · Post by **Sellu** » 02 Jun 2005 07:47

Korenn wrote:the helium will be under pressure and will weigh a lot, so I'm guessing the same happens as with normal cargo.

Ok then I guessed that

Alltaken wrote: 3 different alpha channels (same original sprite they are overlayed) defining the underwater section of the boat. and then just a pixel offset (downwards) for the game to make the boat actually go downwards.

Hmm, sounds interesting idea.

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 02 Jun 2005 13:30

hmmmm then also cargo overlays of how full it is.

Alltaken

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 12 Jun 2005 15:24

How's the stuff rolling?
If you need help, I can help with 2D graphics...
I'd really like to see it in-game.
Also I can help you with the dynamic textures and effects...

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 12 Jun 2005 19:58

well we need some pretty basic admin type tasks done before nearly anything else can happen.

i personally (with university the way it is) not do any of them. and none of the 3d artists seem to interested in doing them.

things like creating lists of sprites, lists of current actions.... things that the initial artists and coders can look at and then cross off as they solve the problems.

if basicly copying pasting and uploading sounds like somthing you would be willing to do, i can get you started.

we need a list of all the objects (not all the sprites, but one sprite per object) in the current TTD graphics, and a single image of each.

so far we have the images of the vehicles, and Owen has the names of the vehicles, but they have not been put together yet

Alltaken

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 12 Jun 2005 20:18

Free hint:
Start TTDPatch
cht:year 2045
Open purchase lists
Take screenshot (shoot screen?)

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