George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

[George]

I'll use FT text then for all the models

Ok. Maybe I missed something, but is the articulated version of the OmniLink included?

No. Are there any? Could you post a photo?

[George]

To help other people create vehiles I created this template

[Snail]

Is the articulated version of the OmniLink included?

No. Are there any? Could you post a photo?

Yes, here is one. Here it is:

Maybe drawings are availabe where you got those of the simple version (I don't have any).

Speaking about current articulated buses, I do happen to have some drawings, but they're of the Iveco/Irisbus CityClass.

Tell me if you might be interested in that.
I might also find some drawings of current smaller buses.

Ok. So, what should I write in the purchase menu and what after capacity?
Name="Siccar 177/181/383"
Refit names="Inbus U150FT", "Inbus S150FT", "Inbus U210FT", "Inbus S210FT", "Inbus AU280FT", "Inbus AS210FT"?

Sounds neat. I'd split the U210FT in the 3-door and 4-door variants tho.
So they might be: "Inbus U150FT", "Inbus S150FT", "Inbus U210FT (3-door)", "Inbus U210FT (4-door)", "Inbus S210FT", "Inbus AU280FT", "Inbus AS210FT".
I'd say there are enough for now, maybe I'll look for drawings of other models built on that chassis in the future.

I asked Josef to do it many times, but there is no solution now. I hope someday.

Ok. Then we'll start like this for now, hope we'll be able to introduce more diversification among the models (including prices, max speeds, maintenance costs etc).

Cheers!

[George]

Is the articulated version of the OmniLink included?

No. Are there any? Could you post a photo?

Yes, here is one. Here it is. Maybe drawings are availabe where you got those of the simple version (I don't have any).

Hm, there I found the info about single version there was no info about articulated version at all. (There is a new Scania plant here in Spb, but they produce only single version)

2All: Could someone help me and find the info about articulated Scania Omnilink?

Speaking about current articulated buses, I do happen to have some drawings, but they're of the Iveco/Irisbus CityClass.
Tell me if you might be interested in that.
I might also find some drawings of current smaller buses.

Not for now. I need a city bus, which was introduced in 1976, and coach buses, which were introduced in 1970, 1986, 1992.

Ok. So, what should I write in the purchase menu and what after capacity?
Name="Siccar 177/181/383"
Refit names="Inbus U150FT", "Inbus S150FT", "Inbus U210FT", "Inbus S210FT", "Inbus AU280FT", "Inbus AS210FT"?

Sounds neat. I'd split the U210FT in the 3-door and 4-door variants tho.
So they might be: "Inbus U150FT", "Inbus S150FT", "Inbus U210FT (3-door)", "Inbus U210FT (4-door)", "Inbus S210FT", "Inbus AU280FT", "Inbus AS210FT".
I'd say there are enough for now, maybe I'll look for drawings of other models built on that chassis in the future.

Ok

[George]

Updated template ... Sorry, it contains some mistakes, I'll fix them tomorrow.

[Greyfur]

> What are the correct years for Ikarus?

Ok, so this question is a bit harder. First - there existed many versions of
Ikarus 280 (I don´t know much about 260 as they were never in service in
Czechoslovakia)

The main version - Ikarus 280.08 was manufactured from 1974 till 1991/2. It was
an articulated city bus with 4 entrance doors from which consisted from 4
wings. The average paintwork was white/dark red - as on the two pictures which
follow :

http://www.mestskadoprava.sk/galeria/pi ... 7,4,425,11

http://www.mestskadoprava.sk/galeria/pi ... 7,4,425,11

(both pictures show buses still in service in Bratislava, year of build 1991)

The yellow/orange paintwork was used in ukraine and partly in hungary. More
often was used this standard colouring, maybe it would be nice to have both
colours available

The next version was Ikarus 280.10 - from cca 1976 till 1995, maybe even longer.
This one was an intercity version - it had two entrance doors which were
4-winged. This version was produced in white-blue coloring as shown here :

http://www.mestskadoprava.sk/galeria/pi ... 425,11,426

http://www.mestskadoprava.sk/galeria/pi ... 425,11,426

(this bus is still in service in Trnava - year of build 1989)

Both version had different max. passengers, as their interier was different.

The other version was for example Ikarus 280.12 Which was a clasical 280.08, but
with automatic gear. There were many extensions and variations (one of them was
even in service in Toronto), but every time in small series. The 280.08 and
280.10 were far more common (thousands of vehicles/year).

From 1991/2 a new feature was brought - two winged entrance doors. The bus was build like this until cca 2000, when the build stopped, but just for a short period, because the eastern Europe wanted it back (as the buses had easy maintence and they worked even under hard conditions. And they had fleets with them so if the production stopped, they would have to buy new types etc...). The relaunched production lasted till 2002/03, when Ikarus bancroted and was buyed by Irisbus concern and from that time it produces Agoras

I have to say, that I am not very sure about the bus production after 1995 - I have just little information, because from 1995 no more Ikarus buses of the 280 series were bought to Slovakia or Czech republic. So maybe somebody could add some more relevant information.

The buses 1991-1995 looked like this :

http://www.imhd.sk/ke/index.php?w=372f2 ... f9f8f0f421

http://www.imhd.sk/ke/index.php?w=372f2 ... f2f9f0f421

The busses from 1995 were called Ikarus 280.87 as they had modified engines. Later there were buses build, with Ikarus 280 bodies, but motor was in the back and was from the type Ikarus 435.

The Ikarus classic looked like this :

http://mkkk.kma.bme.hu/buszok/hem-867_001020.jpg

Ikarus 280 and 260 were even produced as trolleybuses in cooperation with Ganz
Budapest.

[lws1984]

Here are drawings for the Routemaster Bus.
The top one is the Routemaster, and the bottom one is the Routemaster Coach. and specs for the routemaster.
Routemaster (also known as RM). See topmost attachment.

Built 1958-2005
72-passenger capacity.
115-hp engine.
Weight: 7.7 tons . When loaded, 11 tons.
Length: 2.4 meter, 15.2 centimeters
Width: 2.4 meters
Height: 4.2 meters, 11.4.

Routemaster Coach (also known as RMC) was the same as the RM, except that it was painted green, with electric platform doors. It was used for long-distance routes, and had more comfortable seats. We could make this as a refit for the regular RM. See bottom attachment.

Built 1965-2005
65-passenger capacity.
115-hp engine.
Weight: 7.7 tons . When loaded, 11 tons.
Length: 2.4 meter, 15.2 centimeters
Width: 2.4 meters
Height: 4.2 meters, 11.4.

[Greyfur]

Uhm... this bus is left sided- shouldn't we try to make a whole left-sided grf ? Because there is a problem... when we mix both together, we will get a grf, where some of the vehicles will be unusable...

[krtaylor]

Aren't they so small that you really can't tell?

[George]

Uhm... this bus is left sided- shouldn't we try to make a whole left-sided grf?

Not now. We already have one leftsided bus (Leyland olympian) in the set and I didn't get any complains about it.

Because there is a problem... when we mix both together, we will get a grf, where some of the vehicles will be unusable...

Why? In TTD world all the stations are the same for right and left sided vehicles

[George]

Here are drawings for the Routemaster Bus.
The top one is the Routemaster, and the bottom one is the Routemaster Coach.

Very nice. I think they will help me to draw RM faster

[Snail]

Nice! I'd like to see the RouteMaster

I need (...) coach buses, which were introduced in 1970, 1986, 1992.

Ok, hope you won't find me too boring if I propose another model
I was thinking about the Fiat 343. The first ideas and prototypes were designed in 1966 and the production started in the late Sixties (around 1969 I think). It had a quite big success even outside of its home country. It was built in many different bodyworks all through the Seventies.
Here you can find some pics, they were all variants made on that chassis...
http://www.aritaly.net/autobus/f306-3.jpg
http://www.aritaly.net/autobus/Fiat_343 ... ticino.jpg
http://www.aritaly.net/autobus/Fiat_343 ... VR_201.jpg
http://www.negri.it/dalla_via/autobus_dalla_via_07.jpg
http://www.barbi.it/zoom.htm?azi=0&pag= ... =album.htm

I remember showing you some pics of Fiat coach buses, but they were different, later models. I have some data but no drawings right now, but I think I could find some around. Just tell me if you might be interested.

Cheers

[George]

2Snail:
I tried to start drawing Fiat421 yesterday, but whose two drawings, I have, are incompatible and I could not figure out the right place for windows and doors. Please, search for more of the drawings

[George]

Nice! I'd like to see the RouteMaster
Ok, hope you won't find me too boring if I propose another model
I was thinking about the Fiat 343. The first ideas and prototypes were designed in 1966 and the production started in the late Sixties (around 1969 I think). It had a quite big success even outside of its home country. It was built in many different bodyworks all through the Seventies.
Here you can find some pics, they were all variants made on that chassis...

Could you find something other? I don't like those photos

[George]

updated templates

[Snail]

I tried to start drawing Fiat421 yesterday, but whose two drawings, I have, are incompatible and I could not figure out the right place for windows and doors. Please, search for more of the drawings

Well, those two drawings refer to the two different chassis (A and AL). The latter was about one meter longer, so that's why they're incompatible. I sent you both to help you draw both the A and AL variants.

The three-door drawing refers to the 421A BCF and the four-door one to the 421AL SEAC. As for the Cameri variants, the pics and the paperbus model should help you place the windows; the chassis didn't change, so you can use the respective drawings to get proportions.

More specifically: for the 421A, the main differences between BCF (in the drawing) and Cameri (in the pics) were front, rear, livery, and the windows were placed a bit higher in the Cameri (matters of centimeters, though, as the windows themselves were the same but the rear one, double in the Cameri).
For the 421AL, the SEAC had fewer, wider windows than the Cameri, and the two central doors were a few cm's more apart. However, you can see the Cameri's window displacement pretty well in the paperbus model.

Hope this helps, ask if you need anything more specific.

Could you find something other? I don't like those photos

Ok.

[George]

I tried to start drawing Fiat421 yesterday, but whose two drawings, I have, are incompatible and I could not figure out the right place for windows and doors. Please, search for more of the drawings

Well, those two drawings refer to the two different chassis (A and AL).

I know. But I resized them and paper models to the one scale and got disproportions, which I could not solve. If you do not belive me you can try it yourself. I could not solve the problem, so I need more info. and description or photo can't help me here, I need correct visual proportions. Only a drawing can help me here.

Hope this helps, ask if you need anything more specific.

It does not. I need a drawing or a side photo, that is made from the middle (centre) of the bus

[Snail]

It does not. I need a drawing or a side photo, that is made from the middle (centre) of the bus

Ok. This only refers to the AL, right?

Here's what I could find at the moment, I hope they're at least close to what you need. You can see the right side of an AL Cameri and its back right side windows. I've also included the pic of a model which is close to reality. By the way, the right side windows of the AL Cameri were the same as the left side (so there were actually two measures: "long" and "short").

I also included some pics of the SEAC version, including those of a "mocked" vehicle built on that chassis. Although the third door is camouflaged and some of the windows are missing, one of the pics show clearly the back right part. And there's a pic of another model (a Lancia) featuring the cream-red livery the SEACs were born with. That should be used until about 1977, after which all buses were orange.

Basing on these pics and my memory I came up with a drawing which represents the AL Cameri's side. I've clearly made it up as you can see, but not without judgment. I resized it so that it'd have the same scale as the BCF's drawing, then copied the latter's windows (as I know they were the same) and used them to replace the Seac's ones. I put the two central doors more close together and moved the last door a little bit behind, just as it was in reality. I didn't touch the chassis as it was the same. Though I'm no professional graphic, I tried to make is as close to reality as possible.
Of course, the doors look different, you can look at pictures for that.
Hope this helps.

[George]

It does not. I need a drawing or a side photo, that is made from the middle (centre) of the bus

Ok. This only refers to the AL, right?

It does not metter, but I'd like to make the 4 door bus first

Here's what I could find at the moment, I hope they're at least close to what you need.

Sorry, they are not. Hope you will find a drawing.

[Snail]

OK, I've added a third attachment to my previous post (I guess we posted quite at the same time). Try to have a look at it, hope it helps (I've tried to be as accurate as possible). I'll keep searching for original drawings anyway.