LAS (Large Airports Set) 5% Complete [ON HOLD]

Darkvater · Post by **Darkvater** » 10 Nov 2004 22:47

DaleStan wrote:
Darkvater wrote:If you are not too strict on copyright stuff
OTTD is GPLed. TTDPatch is GPLed.
The copyright problem would be?

It would be that OTTD is disassembled code from the copyrighted TTDLX code and it could be illegal to look at that code and then code your own vesrion. Like when windows sourcecode leaked all programmers were highly encouraged to not even look at the code since it then can hinder them when writing their own code for a company.

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 10 Nov 2004 22:58

In other words, while OTTD claims to be GPL'ed, it is doubtful whether Ludde actually had the right to put code under the GPL that is just rewritten disassembled code of TTD. But we won't have that discussion again in this thread, let's go back to talking about large airports instead...

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 11 Nov 2004 17:34

Thanks for the advice people!

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 28 Dec 2004 17:49

Ok, a brief update: here is a layout for the largest airport i'm planning, help witth the drawing would be much appreciated. Further explanation into how exactly it will work will follow shortly

AndrewA · Post by **AndrewA** » 28 Dec 2004 17:53

That is a HUGE airport.

Do you have the drawing plans for more? And good luck! This would be another very cool thing to see in TTDPatch.

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 28 Dec 2004 18:23

I hope to create four new sizes of airport (and each size will have both cargo graphics and passenger graphics:
1: TTD small airport
2: Short runway more modern airport (slightly bigger?)
3: TTD 'Large' Airport
4: One Runway, 5 plane docking things
5: One large runway, one short runway 5-7 plane docks
6: Two large runways 10 plane docks
7: Airport Shown above
I only have the one drawing plan so far, but I have an extra-long Christmas break, so expect a few more over the coming weeks

AndrewA · Post by **AndrewA** » 28 Dec 2004 20:09

Sounds like a good plan. I'd be happy with much less than that, but having that much choice would be fantastic.

Also, I know Zimmlock once considered doing a new terminal building, maybe you could contact him about doing graphics for it. He does replacement town graphics (TTRS) if you didn't know. I suspect that good graphics wouldn't be needed until the last stage of coding though. For testing, why not try and cut bits out of the existing airports. This is like canals did, they use ship depot graphics unless you have the actual canals grf file.

BobDendry · Post by **BobDendry** » 29 Dec 2004 07:55

It looks pretty good though it does look like A LOT of work.

Peteza · Post by **Peteza** » 29 Dec 2004 08:30

SuperTycoon wrote:I hope to create four new sizes of airport (and each size will have both cargo graphics and passenger graphics:
1: TTD small airport
2: Short runway more modern airport (slightly bigger?)
3: TTD 'Large' Airport
4: One Runway, 5 plane docking things
5: One large runway, one short runway 5-7 plane docks
6: Two large runways 10 plane docks
7: Airport Shown above
I only have the one drawing plan so far, but I have an extra-long Christmas break, so expect a few more over the coming weeks

Looks Great!

How is the coding coming along?

And I know this is far off, but what is the plan for the GUI in choosing these different types of airports???

Keep up the good work!

vesgo · Post by **vesgo** » 29 Dec 2004 13:37

Nice work Supertycoon!
Keep it up!!

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 29 Dec 2004 15:57

Wow!

I'm not sure it makes sense to have two parallel runways at the bottom of the screen like that, though. Might make for inefficient taxiing.

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 29 Dec 2004 16:02

Pete-ski wrote:
SuperTycoon wrote:I hope to create four new sizes of airport (and each size will have both cargo graphics and passenger graphics:
1: TTD small airport
2: Short runway more modern airport (slightly bigger?)
3: TTD 'Large' Airport
4: One Runway, 5 plane docking things
5: One large runway, one short runway 5-7 plane docks
6: Two large runways 10 plane docks
7: Airport Shown above
I only have the one drawing plan so far, but I have an extra-long Christmas break, so expect a few more over the coming weeks
Looks Great!
How is the coding coming along?

And I know this is far off, but what is the plan for the GUI in choosing these different types of airports???

Keep up the good work!

Probably like the existing system, but with two columns, each with seven buttons (a freight column, and a passenger column) Don't ask about the coding - lets just say its making slow progress, but you know what they say, slow and steady wins the race

krtaylor wrote: I'm not sure it makes sense to have two parallel runways at the bottom of the screen like that, though. Might make for inefficient taxiing.

I don't think it should be too bad, on the daigram there are two taxiways, one will be for planes heading towards the terminals, one for planes heading away, i'm currently working on a flow diagram that explains it better.

way_2_fun · Post by **way_2_fun** » 29 Dec 2004 20:54

Well, that is one massive airport! Keep up the good work! Might get too complex for me, but I'll support you anyways.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 30 Dec 2004 09:14

SuperTycoon wrote:Ok, a brief update: here is a layout for the largest airport i'm planning, help witth the drawing would be much appreciated. Further explanation into how exactly it will work will follow shortly

IRL, runways are often in different directions, because airplanes need to take of in opposite direction of the wind AFAIK. What about having the runways in 90 degrees angle and let them be used each in both directions?

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 30 Dec 2004 15:47

Probably because that would be too difficult to code.

Sword · Post by **Sword** » 30 Dec 2004 16:22

Just as comment, in realitiy the airport shown above has not so much capacity. The layout of modern, new bulit airports like Honkong is normally an two runway layout with parallel runways, with plenty of room between each runway.
The problem with two runways next to each other is that the starts, approaches and landings must be coordinated (like it is in Frankfurt).
If there is plenty of room between the two runways (like it is in London Heathrow or Paris CDG) every Runway can be seen as single runway with its own operation.

And on the other side, with the Tower an the hanger direct in the elongation (or extension, i don't know if this is the right word) of the runway it is impossible to start/land without flying into them....

IRL, runways are often in different directions, because airplanes need to take of in opposite direction of the wind AFAIK. What about having the runways in 90 degrees angle and let them be used each in both directions?

This concept is now "out of style", most of the newbulit airports pass on this feature, because the wind isn't so important for the modern airplanes.

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 30 Dec 2004 16:26

Sword wrote:Just as comment, in realitiy the airport shown above has not so much capacity. The layout of modern, new bulit airports like Honkong is normally an two runway layout with parallel runways, with plenty of room between each runway.
The problem with two runways next to each other is that the starts, approaches and landings must be coordinated (like it is in Frankfurt).
If there is plenty of room between the two runways (like it is in London Heathrow or Paris CDG) every Runway can be seen as single runway with its own operation.

And on the other side, with the Tower an the hanger direct in the elongation (or extension, i don't know if this is the right word) of the runway it is impossible to start/land without flying into them....

Good points, I thought about the control tower issue, i'll move things about when i produce the flow chart, I'll release a revised version over the next couple of weeks. Thanks to everyone else who made comments, its the input from forum users that makes features truely usefull

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 31 Dec 2004 13:00

SuperTycoon wrote:Ok, a brief update: here is a layout for the largest airport i'm planning, help witth the drawing would be much appreciated. Further explanation into how exactly it will work will follow shortly

To be honest, I'd say that spending time on the graphics is not advisable at this point, until there is at least rudimentary support in the patch for even the most basic new airports. I don't know if you've worked on the patch code at all, but if you haven't, making new graphics is just 100% useless at this point, because you don't know what will be possible to do. Right now, any change that isn't purely cosmetic is impossible.

SuperTycoon · Post by **SuperTycoon** » 03 Jan 2005 17:01

Patchman wrote:
SuperTycoon wrote:Ok, a brief update: here is a layout for the largest airport i'm planning, help witth the drawing would be much appreciated. Further explanation into how exactly it will work will follow shortly
To be honest, I'd say that spending time on the graphics is not advisable at this point, until there is at least rudimentary support in the patch for even the most basic new airports. I don't know if you've worked on the patch code at all, but if you haven't, making new graphics is just 100% useless at this point, because you don't know what will be possible to do. Right now, any change that isn't purely cosmetic is impossible.

fair point: i'll post the other designs once coding is making progress

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 03 Jan 2005 17:28

It seems to me that the first step would be to determine what is possible. I mean, we know it's possible to do some things:

- change the paths that aircraft follow (that is, the airport "map")

We think it is possible to change some other things, but aren't sure:

- change the number of gates (more than 3)
- make 2 runways, one for takeoff, one for landing

Then there are some other things that would be really nice but might not be possible

- separate dedicated helipads, so helicopters don't use normal aircraft "gates"
- automatic servicing of helicopters on their pads, without needing to drive round to a hangar
- more logical handling of servicing needs, so the planes don't have to double back. If they need to be serviced, and to go to a gate, they go to whichever is nearer first, finish their business there, then go to the other.

And so on. Knowing what CAN be done, will have a heavy influence on what sort of airports you design.

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