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Post by Mr. X » 07 Sep 2006 16:32

If someone decides that he is banned, then that would be for a good reason so no, it's not poor I guess.
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Post by bobo » 12 Sep 2006 15:50

Then, IRC officially sucks.
Ah forget it. I'll come back now.
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Post by Purno » 12 Sep 2006 16:02

bobo wrote:Then, IRC officially sucks.
Yeah, especially because X-chat comes up with those annoying messages.



No seriously, bans are usually deserved. And blaming IRC for your own attitude is kinda weird, isn't it?
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Post by Raichase » 13 Sep 2006 09:36

bobo wrote:Then, IRC officially sucks.
Right. You're a blameshifter. Thus, until you learn to be a man, you will continue to shift the blame from yourself.

Drink drivers? Blame the car, or, better yet, blame the cops.

Gambling Addict? Blame the casino.

Spent all of your money on CDs? Blame the music industry.

Incase you haven't noticed, those THREE examples are good examples of where a persons own actions are easily explained away by blaming someone else, even when that someone else isn't even in the wrong.

A true, mature man can take it on the chin when they screw up. A sincere apology and a promise to improve ones own attitude would go a long way further than "IRC sucks". However, as you've chosen the "blameshifters" easy way out, then you will likely never enter #tycoon again, because you're clearly not mature enough to handle the responsibility.

Take it from me, you go a lot further if you apologise and admit your own shortcomings, rather than trying to blame other people for them.

Thats a friendly warning too, not an aggressive "you're crap" message. I can only hope that over time, you learn from your own behaviour, and thus get on better with other people, and go futher in the real world as a result.
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Post by Mr. X » 13 Sep 2006 09:42

bobo wrote:Then, IRC officially sucks.
Because someone decided that some other person was banned because he was bad.

Well bobo, I don't know your age and I don't want to know but as I see it from this side, it seems that you were banned because of a reason. I know the people with the ability to kick and ban, are people that will not abuse their given power for no reason. So apparantly you did something that was against the rules (and for more times than 1 since you mostly get a warning) and then got banned. You did that yourself, not IRC.

Another example of what Rai ment was the fat-dude that blamed McDonalds for letting him eat his junkfood. :wink:
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Post by Raichase » 13 Sep 2006 09:47

Mr. X wrote:Another example of what Rai ment was the fat-dude that blamed McDonalds for letting him eat his junkfood. :wink:
AHA! That proves my point from the birthday thread, that an older Mr. X is a wiser Mr. X :].
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Post by Mr. X » 13 Sep 2006 09:49

really too much credit! :P

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Post by Purno » 13 Sep 2006 09:49

Mr. X wrote:Another example of what Rai ment was the fat-dude that blamed McDonalds for letting him eat his junkfood. :wink:
Ah, that's why you're a burger king addict :P
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Post by Kosov_1986 » 13 Sep 2006 15:34

Look, i think you all should stop this "addict" topic... are you all Psichologists? :lol:
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Post by Hyronymus » 13 Sep 2006 17:30

No, I'm the only psychologist here.

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Post by Born Acorn » 13 Sep 2006 17:59

Raichase wrote:
bobo wrote:Then, IRC officially sucks.
Right. You're a blameshifter. Thus, until you learn to be a man, you will continue to shift the blame from yourself.

Drink drivers? Blame the car, or, better yet, blame the cops.

Gambling Addict? Blame the casino.

Spent all of your money on CDs? Blame the music industry.
There's already an analogy for this, you have been beaten to it!

"A bad workman blames his tools"

Whereas bobo is the workman and IRC is the tools.

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Post by Redirect Left » 15 Sep 2006 04:08

bobo wrote:Then, IRC officially sucks.
Aye, tell me about it, certainly does, though it wouldnt, without certain people.
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Post by Raichase » 15 Sep 2006 04:20

Okay, this thread is no longer the thread to whine about being banned from IRC.

Anyone else wants to do it, you'll be doing it from the comfort of the spam-bin.

Obviously people are going to get banned from IRC when they act up. The forums is NOT the place to take that anger out, and it is certainly not the place to react to it emotionally.

The operators are in place to make an informed decision about members of #tycoon, and have the right to expel and even ban people they decide are going to be troublemakers, or just generally 'cause a fuss.

They are EXCEPTIONALLY tolerant, and fair warning is always given. If people choose to ignore said warnings, then don't blame the operator for doing their job.

Want to cause a fuss and have a cry? Do it in a PM or an E-mail to the op in question, but let me warn you NOW, that should you decide to react angrily and start passing blame and the buck, it is VERY unlikely you will be let back into the chan.

Now, unless someone is wanting to discuss the rules or procedures of IRC, this ends here. This topic is about the rules of #tycoon, not a place to go crying that the big, bad, bossy operator with an ego-complex kicked you for minding your own business.

There.
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Post by Redirect Left » 20 Oct 2006 09:32

Right well, instead of been sly and shy, i will do this openly, May i please be allowed into the #tycoon channel?
I know i did a big fuxxor upper, and i did apologise (the best i could, considering Patchmans fierce Anti-Spam measures)

Anyway, thanks for your time :))
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Post by Raichase » 20 Oct 2006 11:13

I'll endorse Kirk's request, he's really turned himself and his time on the forums here around... Pretty much the second after he got my PM after his banning, I've seen nothing but good, positive steps taken by Kirk.

You don't have to talk to him, but I think he deserves to be let back in #tycoon.
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Post by BobDendry » 20 Oct 2006 11:36

I agree. He definitely deserves another chance.
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Post by Raven » 03 Jan 2007 16:34

Hi, I've been trying Quakenet lately.

Sometimes it works fine, other times I'm G-Lined (just learnt what it means), because my host seems to be *.rima-tde.net

It seems that people using the same host have been naughty in the past (thus the G-Line, right?).

It asks me to open port113 and run an Ident. Well, I've been looking for whatever that means, but it seems to get trough after some time and connect after many tries.

Is there a workaround?

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Post by jonty-comp » 03 Jan 2007 17:10

Hmm, from my experience IRC clients usually do an Ident anyway, and I guess you need to open port 113 in your router/firewall.
It could be that people from your host have been misusing QNet, and as a result they've G-Lined an IP subnet or something.

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Post by Brianetta » 03 Jan 2007 18:02

ident is a throw-back to the days when system administrators could be trusted more than their users. The ident service allowed servers (like IRC servers) to request, and get, the username that owned a specified connection.

Now, people have the ident service built into their IRC client, or they have an ident service on their Linux machine, and get it to say what they like. There's no benefit, at all, whatsoever, to an IRC server when it comes to using ident. In fact, the relevant RFCs state that IRC servers shouldn't be reliant on an ident server being available, or on the information it provides being correct.

I refuse to run an ident service (it's just something else to be abused by the kiddies) and I have no sympathy for IRC networks who insist on its presence. Not one IRC user online today has an ident service which isn't just telling lies to satisfy the IRC server.

So annoying.
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Post by SpComb » 03 Jan 2007 20:35

Brianetta wrote:ident is a throw-back to the days when system administrators could be trusted more than their users. The ident service allowed servers (like IRC servers) to request, and get, the username that owned a specified connection.
http://russnelson.com/ident.html

A highly worthwhile read.

I run identd on my server, and highly appreciate how my trust with Quakenet requires me to have working identd to connect. Why?

By default (with no trusts), if a fifth connection comes from your host to quakenet, your entire IP is G-Lined. With a trust, Quakenet applies a restriction of two connections/username, and if a third one comes, G-Lines the user@IP mask. This means that I don't have to worry about my users getting all other users G-Lined from Quakenet because of reconnecting too soon or whatever. It's highly beneficial from my point of view.

That's not to say that identd always makes sense. Requiring it may often be pointless, but ranting about how useless it is even sillier. Ident is not for the IRC server, it's for the system admin of the host connecting to the IRC server. If he/she can't trust themselves, they have bigger problems.

As for Raven's problem, it may be that his hostname/network has a trust applied to it, which would require him to run identd to access quakenet. It would help if you could copy-paste us the EXACT error message that you get.

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