how do i stop industry closing down

[john5500]

how do i stop industry closing down as soon as i start a new scenario a lot of the the industry that accpets stuff closes down?

[DaleStan]

The first step is to use capital letters at the beginnings of your sentences and punctuation at the ends of your sentences.

[Tuthmes]

The first step is to use capital letters at the beginnings of your sentences and punctuation at the ends of your sentences.

Don't be so thick. There can be a lot of reasons why someone makes typo's, not to mention typo's are exactly what they are, typo's. Also he actually ended his sentence with a question mark, which is a punctuation!

Anyways to answer the question, i don't know john5500. I've hade the same problem and searched the forum for it. I don't think i found something that really fixed it. Unless you did some harcore coding.

[Nite Owl]

GrfCrawler is your friend.

[Conditional Zenith]

The first step is to use capital letters at the beginnings of your sentences and punctuation at the ends of your sentences.

Don't be so thick. There can be a lot of reasons why someone makes typo's, not to mention typo's are exactly what they are, typo's. Also he actually ended his sentence with a question mark, which is a punctuation!

Anyways to answer the question, i don't know john5500. I've hade the same problem and searched the forum for it. I don't think i found something that really fixed it. Unless you did some harcore coding.

There are at least 2 sentences in the OP, with no punctuation at all separating them (unless you count a space). And by the look of the OP, it's a systematic error, it isn't an occasional typo. And speaking of typos, you made many typos typing "typos". That also seems like a systematic mistake rather than a typo.

As for answering the question, there is an out of date patch which can be found easily by searching properly, and there may be a GRF that fixes it, I can't remember. Use GRF Crawler from the above post.

[DaleStan]

... typo's ... typo's ... typo's ...

The 'second 'step i's to reali'se that the apo'strophe doe's not mean "Look out! Here come's an 'S!"

The third step is to learn to recognize that name over <---- there, and practice the posting methods that do not invoke its anger.

[Lilman424]

yes, Dale'Stan can be quite intimidating at times, cant he

[Zutty]

Yes and the rest of the time he's a complete and total....

I feel another typo coming on!

john5500 - Ignore DaleStan. He's like a test, to see if you REALLY want help! I think there is a GRF or something that can prevent industry closures, though I can't remember where it is.

If your talking in general gamplay terms, just try to service an industry as early as you can and you'll improve your chances of keeping it.

[audigex]

Yeah, DaleStan and Rubidium are our newb filters. They test the mettle of any new posters with a tirade of "Learn to spell." and "Read the freaking manual." (respectively); anyone who doesn't have a nervous breakdown within 5 posts is welcomed into the community while those who can't take the strain run and hide.

[Conditional Zenith]

You could just avoid all that by looking for information yourself before asking questions, and by typing properly, both of which are in the forum rules.

[Tuthmes]

... typo's ... typo's ... typo's ...

The 'second 'step i's to reali'se that the apo'strophe doe's not mean "Look out! Here come's an 'S!"

The third step is to learn to recognize that name over <---- there, and practice the posting methods that do not invoke its anger.

Well fair enough. I always spelled typos as typo's. So i looked it up now and i have learned something new! Still doesn't mean you have to be so thick about it. I recon there are tons of people who's native language isn't english. Could be there are some younger players who's spelling isn't so good yet, dyslexia, etc. My FF is set to Dutch btw (i'm from the Netherlands), so when i type something in english it doesn't recognize the mystakes i make. It's quite easy to recognize the mistakes when you do have it on.

Most of the times people write something on a forum quickly to get something answered or to respond to something. It's not for a highschool diploma, so there's no need to lecture someone when it's not "perfect".

Anyways, i'm quite sure your english is far from perfect either.

[belugas]

Dalestan's english is actually very good, I could even say it is excellent.
The problem with bad english is not really a concern for newcomers. It's more regarding the old guard (those like Dalestan, Eddi, myself and such) who read the forums posts every day. After a while, it's getting very frustrated to see such poor quality. And let say that it does not motivate anyone to actually spend time answering when the poster obviously did not take time to properly formulate his question or intervention.
Remember, this is an international forum. It's not the streets.

[Tuthmes]

Dalestan's english is actually very good, I could even say it is excellent.
The problem with bad english is not really a concern for newcomers. It's more regarding the old guard (those like Dalestan, Eddi, myself and such) who read the forums posts every day. After a while, it's getting very frustrated to see such poor quality. And let say that it does not motivate anyone to actually spend time answering when the poster obviously did not take time to properly formulate his question or intervention.
Remember, this is an international forum. It's not the streets.

No, it's not the streets, but to expect for everyone to write in perfect english is nonsense aswell. The points i mentioned earlier should be taken into consideration, especially on an international forum. I read these forums quite a lot, infact i read a lot of forums and it doesn't bother me at all.

Making a thread in the first place can be a huge hurdle to take. Especially when you know there are atleast a couple of prowlers waiting to comment on your grammar and spelling (yes, when it's not your native language). Looking up everything in a dictionary or googling it is a bit to much to ask and so is switching your language in FF (if you even use that).

Another thing is when somebody asks a question about something, people blindly refer with: search it up on the forum. I know there are a lot of answers there, but looking for something is a skill by itself. It can be someone has tried, but did not find the answer.

Anyways, i have and hade the same problem as the topic starter. Industry's dissapear (even when they are in use). I looked it up and (i thought) found the answer, but i used a lot of grf's back then. The end of story is it didnt work for me in combination with other grf's and i stopped playing OpenTTD. Knowing you don't have to ask for the answer on these forums. All you get here is the best english writers in the world, who won't answer any of your questions even when they know it all.

P.s. Another favourite is: Code it yourself.

[LordAzamath]

Should I or should I not?
I should.

The answer to the question at first post: Industries get closed down if not served properly so if they close down too fast, you indeed need to use some newGRFs which change the behaviour of industries. GRFCrawler was already linked (without an explanation why though).

And the offtopic stuff now:

No, it's not the streets, but to expect for everyone to write in perfect english is nonsense aswell.

There is a difference between making spelling mistakes like the "typo's" and just ignoring punctuation and capital letters. I wonder how many languages are there which don't use capital letters at the start of the sentence and punctuation. If you misspell some words it's not bad but if you clearly make mistakes out of lazyness one can't expect others to be less lazy and answer the post with something constructive. (And the topic starter was lazy, or has lost his shift key).

search it up on the forum.

But you know how irritating is to answer the same questions over and over again because people don't see a similar thread a few topics below. Or if someone starts a discussion which could be interesting but all the points were raised about it a year ago already and a decision had been made. And as the reasons still stand the conclusion won't be different. Which is why search is always your friend.

P.s. Another favourite is: Code it yourself.

I just looked through the ten threads last posted in in OpenTTD Suggestions and none of them had "code it yourself" kind of answer

[Zutty]

...it's getting very frustrated to see such poor quality...

"It's" getting frustrated? What is? The forum?

If I may, I think the problem is not whether newbies' posts are ignored by the "old guard" because of their poor spelling, but that the members of the "old guard" come crashing into such threads, launching abuse and even personal insults at newcomers.

The problem is with the "old guard", not the newbies. No one asked DaleStan to post his smart-arse reply. I suspect there are few who even care about his opinion. But still he felt the need to be hurtful and antagonistic. He could EASILY have just ignored the thread.

If the "old guard" folks want to ignore threads that are poorly written then that is fine, but IMHO that is no kind of excuse for the extremely unpleasant behavior that some people seem to think is acceptable.


Yes, its a flame. Yes, I know I shouldn't. Punish me if you must. Thanks.

[ShadowSpawn]

anyway here is a grf that can help you John.

[Conditional Zenith]

The only personal attacks I have seen here are on DaleStan. DaleStan's reply was undiplomatic and didn't answer the question, but there was no attack on the OP from where I am reading. Also I don't see anyone expecting perfect English (Tuthmes got special treatment for trying to brush the OPs post aside as just a few typos, and for personal attacks), just that people put some effort in and consider the people that have to read it. I don't recall seeing someone get annoyed over a few spelling mistakes. One mega long string of words with no caps or punctuation at all is hard to read. If only more posters considered things from the point of view of the people who are taking time out to answer their questions, the forums would be a much better place.

Regarding searching, as they say, "give a man a fish ...". And "go code it yourself" seems to only happen when users forget they are asking volunteers to do something for them, and seem to think that volunteers are required to do what they want.

[belugas]

...it's getting very frustrated to see such poor quality...

"It's" getting frustrated? What is? The forum?

.... ooops... i mean "frustrating"... Sorry, I was at work when I wrote those lines. I'm not a native english speaker...

Yes, its a flame. Yes, I know I shouldn't. Punish me if you must. Thanks.

I do not have neither the power neither the will to punish you.

[sc79]

After a while, it's getting very frustrated to see such poor quality. And let say that it does not motivate anyone to actually spend time answering when the poster obviously did not take time to properly formulate his question or intervention.

More frustrating than seeing another thread go OT for the same old reason?

You could just avoid all that by looking for information yourself before asking questions, and by typing properly, both of which are in the forum rules.

As is

Existing members should be patient and tolerant of new members. If a user asks a common question, point them gently to the FAQ or the appropriate topic - don't be abusive towards them.

, but that one seems to be let slide often.

If only more posters considered things from the point of view of the people who are taking time out to answer their questions, the forums would be a much better place.

One constructive reply taking all of about 30 seconds (either from Dalestan, or someone else if, as Zutty suggested, people could just ignore the thread) would make it a 'much better place' than trying to pull constructive information out of this sort of garbage.

And you wonder why people say "I tried doing a search but couldn't find anything...(useful)"

[Zutty]

...it's getting very frustrated to see such poor quality...

"It's" getting frustrated? What is? The forum?

.... ooops... i mean "frustrating"... Sorry, I was at work when I wrote those lines. I'm not a native english speaker...

Yes, its a flame. Yes, I know I shouldn't. Punish me if you must. Thanks.

I do not have neither the power neither the will to punish you.

hehe. I didn't expect you to take this so graciously! I was trying to make a point, but I didn't want you to feel offended.

You shouldn't have to apologise. I was trying to demonstrate what its like for someone to ignore your words and nit-pick over your spelling, especially for a non-native speaker. Its not very nice.

I'd just hate to see TT-Forums collapse by turning newcomers away. The newbies of today are the contributors and moderators of tomorrow, and they might be disinclined to participate if we treat them unkindly. I have seen healthy, thriving forums be torn apart by groups of long-standing members because they just couldn't accept newbies. Its a shame.