[OT] Warez, law, moral and the rest

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Hello!

There is something I would like to clarify, if you are interested in my
personal opinions this may interest you, otherwise skip this posting.

I am used to think in global structures affecting society. I do not
think in categories of law and justice and I even dislike everybody who
does. Dislike them very much.

I have already written there are two categories of warez, I can extend
this to illegal acting in general.

A: acting causes a damage
B: acting causes no damage

If I am driving on a lonely street without traffic in the night and
there is a red light - I will not stop at it. This is a B situation.
Note that I am not against the law in general, it is neccessary to
regulate traffic, but the situation does not afford it. It is left to my
own judgement and to hell with the hiding policeman who charges me for
doing this. Of course if I produce an accident by overrating my skill I
have to accept to be punished much harder than causing an
'normal' accident.

There can be even laws I have no respect in general ('B laws'). Here in
Germany many B laws have been removed after 1945 like punishing
homosexuality but there still are enough left, affecting freedom of
speech. In USA there are very much B laws, too, but more on the sexual
sector.

So if something is called illegal it means to me only that there are
armed forces protecting a rule that was not made by me and I was not
asked to agree. Everybody can change a law, it has no divine status, it
is a question of power. So never base an argument on legality - except
if you want to warn me.

My own actings and decisions are based on social aspects. I always
think: what would happen if everybody would do the same as me?
Would things be better or worse? You may call this moral, although I
think I am still an egocentric man looking for his own advantage. Of
course nowadays you can take better advantage if you are the
rule-breaker among the honest, but if this trend continues, there will
be nobody anymore who is honest.
Today and now you cannot find a car repair service that does not betray
you! In whole Germany!
Living together is not possible without rules. Very obvious is the rule
of not killing and not stealing. Some are not so obvious as my dislike
of warez for example. But I think I have explained this: damaging the
authors of good software is damaging my own long term interests as
consumer. And since I am the next who will release a software it will
hurt me even more.
This Castles-abandonware-thing is a B situation. I tried to get it and I
still would pay for it if I would get the chance. That it is still
illegal doesn't impress me, because if everybody would act this way I
do - it would be good. And to hell with the person who calls Interplay
for this. This person would act legally but he would not serve anybody
with it.

Especially for the younger ones here this is my message: do not think in
laws and do not think in short-ranged advantage. Both ways are leading
to hell (not in religious terms, I am atheistic, hehe).

Peter
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[Nicholas Allan]

This thread is
a) going to run and run; which would be bad. I'm here for entertainment,
not for a heavy discussion on the rights and wrongs of the known universe
and on the flexibility of laws

b) going to hopefully die a quick and quiet death and things will get back
to usual discussions of TT sound problems and 3DTT.

Sorry guys, but I think we have to nip this thread (and the numerous others
which are bound to form) about the subject. Discussing the viability of
'warez' pertaining to TT is one thing, but widening the scope to include
every situation possible takes the fun out of the group.

Mind you, I have to say that what Peter said is very true and I in no way
tend to offend him.

Many thanks,

Nick Allan

[Chris Becke]

"Nicholas Allan" wrote:

Sorry guys, but I think we have to nip this thread (and the numerous
others
which are bound to form) about the subject. Discussing the viability of
'warez' pertaining to TT is one thing, but widening the scope to include
every situation possible takes the fun out of the group.

Mind you, I have to say that what Peter said is very true and I in no way
tend to offend him.

The first copy of tycoon I ever got was warez. The first copy of command and
conquer I got was warez. These games were great and I now own original cpies
on the weight of what I experienced when I got the warez copies.

I currently actively encourage the warez distribution of a game called
subspace. (http://subspace.warstrike.com has copies for download if you are
interested and havn't tried it).

I had a copy of ttdlx available for downlaod on my web page. I had it
because both the hasbro and microprose web sites make no mention of any
incarnation of transport tycoon as a hasbro or microprose product.

I do not want ttldx to die, and belive its a great game. If somebody else
wants to play who am I to deny them just because they are a few years to
late. All legal methods of obtaining a copie has been pursued with due
dillegence - a warez copy is called for in situations like this.

Not legal I belive, but ethical. And now there is a transport tycoon
available, I have removed the link, and would encourage anyone with a warez
copy to buy the pack.

To conclude: Be ethical: buy the Tycoon collection. Downlaod the subspace
warez version. I'll see you online.

Chris.
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[Eddie Bernard]

Peter J. Dobrovka <peter_dobro...@my-deja.com> wrote
<snipped>
I agree with all of that. But as Nick says, if we go into deep discussion,
it will only provoke flame wars. There are certain subjects on the net which
are considered "taboo" like politics, religion, sex, etc. I suppose warez is
one of thm.

This Castles-abandonware-thing is a B situation. I tried to get it and I
still would pay for it if I would get the chance. That it is still
illegal doesn't impress me, because if everybody would act this way I
do - it would be good. And to hell with the person who calls Interplay
for this. This person would act legally but he would not serve anybody
with it.

Did you ever download Castles from my site Peter?

Especially for the younger ones here this is my message: do not think in
laws and do not think in short-ranged advantage. Both ways are leading
to hell (not in religious terms, I am atheistic, hehe).

I save all of my pocket money! I'm looking into the future there. Maybe more
medium term than long term.

Eddie
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[Rick McGreal]

Dan Ros <upl...@happynoweddie-ductape.net> wrote in message
news:vneDOKBXP0rwjupZDw5z+RTddhtt@4ax.com...

Right-ho. ['B'] (next message)
Btw, I agree with there being A and B crimes, it's just a matter of what
you consider a B crime.

Driving down the A9 in Scotland at 2am doing 110mph......I hadn't seen
anybody on the road in the last hour........I pass a cop (Who was
hiding).........6 points on my license......200quid fine

BTW I eventually got to Glasgow 50 mins later........The only person I had
seen on the entire road was 1 truck and 1 cop car......

THAT was wrong......IMO

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[Sean Casey]

I sympathise with you...
What is the point of sticking to 60/70Mph when, for example, it is midnight
and there is no-one else on the road?
No-one will be hurt- and you *will* get home quicker.

This is only my opinion and I am also jealous of those autobahns in Germany
where the speed is unrestricted

Rick McGreal wrote in message <867k2a$j6...@gxsn.com>...

Dan Ros <upl...@happynoweddie-ductape.net> wrote in message
news:vneDOKBXP0rwjupZDw5z+RTddhtt@4ax.com...
Right-ho. ['B'] (next message)
Btw, I agree with there being A and B crimes, it's just a matter of what
you consider a B crime.

Driving down the A9 in Scotland at 2am doing 110mph......I hadn't seen
anybody on the road in the last hour........I pass a cop (Who was
hiding).........6 points on my license......200quid fine

BTW I eventually got to Glasgow 50 mins later........The only person I had
seen on the entire road was 1 truck and 1 cop car......

THAT was wrong......IMO

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Rick
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[Rick McGreal]

Sean Casey <G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote in message
news:86a9sg$nnj$4@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

I sympathise with you...
What is the point of sticking to 60/70Mph when, for example, it is
midnight
and there is no-one else on the road?
No-one will be hurt- and you *will* get home quicker.

No idea...The cop just stated that I'd broke that law and that was it......

This is only my opinion and I am also jealous of those autobahns in
Germany
where the speed is unrestricted

Is that true?....I thought that there was still an upper speed limit..???
But at a silly limit.....Like 100mph or something....

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Rick
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http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

[Sean Casey]

[snip]

This is only my opinion and I am also jealous of those autobahns in
Germany
where the speed is unrestricted

Is that true?....I thought that there was still an upper speed limit..???
But at a silly limit.....Like 100mph or something....

I always believed there was a few autobahns with no limit on the speed. I
may be wrong though.

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Rick
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tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

[Patchman]

In article <86fho2$6t...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Sean Casey says...

[snip]
This is only my opinion and I am also jealous of those autobahns in
Germany where the speed is unrestricted

Is that true?....I thought that there was still an upper speed limit..???
But at a silly limit.....Like 100mph or something....

I always believed there was a few autobahns with no limit on the speed. I
may be wrong though.

All of them have no limit, except for construction areas or other
dangerous areas. However, there is a "recommended limit" of 130 km/h.
If you go above that you may be held responsible for any accident you're
involved in, even if it wasn't your fault (because you can't have full
control over your car at these speeds), and you may get problems with the
insurance companies. But it's legal to go above it.

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[Alexander Koethe]

On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:33:29 -0000, "Sean Casey"
<G...@gcasey.FR££$£RV£.co.uk> wrote:

Is that true?....I thought that there was still an upper speed limit..???
But at a silly limit.....Like 100mph or something....

I always believed there was a few autobahns with no limit on the speed. I
may be wrong though.

No, you're right. In Germany we have no general speed limit on the
"Autobahn", though many tracks do have a local limit.

Tschuess,
Alex