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A lot of people seem to want someone to make the planes more realistic... but no one has, so I will, or at least try. The most useful planes are the concorde, the 747 and the A380, so I've (tried) to modify them. I got the concorde working, but locotool doesn't seem to edit the 747 and A380 .dat files correctly, the capacity reverts to the original no matter what I do. :evil: Once I get Locotool working, I'll mod the 747 and A380.

If you like the uber concorde, the bottom file has the same stats as the Locomotion concorde, but it never goes obsolete.

Note: These mods will make some scenarios harder and some easier.
Any feedback or comments are appreciated. (My first time doing something like this)
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Realistic Concorde.rar
This file is the realistic concorde, it has capacity of 100 passengers and double running cost. Everything else is the same.
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Uber Concorde.rar
This file is the concorde that never goes obsolete, all the statistics (capacity and running cost are the same.)
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Last edited by Sorryaboutthemess on 02 Nov 2004 17:15, edited 1 time in total.
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Post by Paasky »

I think that the maximum amount of cargo is 250 in a vehicle. So you need to make the A380 carry 250+250+100 passengers. And propably make an A380F which transports Freight.

*Downloads Concorde*
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Post by Olli »

<cargo num="0" capacity="250">
<cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
</cargo>
<cargo num="2" capacity="250">
<cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
</cargo>
<cargo num="3" capacity="250">
<cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
</cargo>

"capacity" might be limited to 8 bit, so it only goes from 0 till 255
just add more "cargo num"'s.
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Paasky wrote:I think that the maximum amount of cargo is 250 in a vehicle. So you need to make the A380 carry 250+250+100 passengers. And propably make an A380F which transports Freight.

*Downloads Concorde*
I'm not sure why you want me to make the A380 carry 600 passengers... the "real" A380 is will carry 555 according to airlines.net
Olli wrote: <cargo num="0" capacity="250">
<cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
</cargo>
<cargo num="2" capacity="250">
<cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
</cargo>
<cargo num="3" capacity="250">
<cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
</cargo>
Not quite sure what this is... In the A380 .xml file, cargotype can only be found twice in the entire file. In fact, the word capacity can only be found once. Do you want me to insert this somewhere? I got the new version of locotool and am still having the same problem.

If anyone could tell me precisely how to change the cargo capacity of the planes, I would be happy to do it. I never learned because I never use planes for cargo since their capacity is so low compared to trains.
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Post by Downmaster »

Hey People,
If you're editing some, can't you just edit all of them ?? That would be really cool, a "real aircraft" set...

Here are the stats:

Airbus A322
903km/h (487kt) at 28,000ft, economical cruising speed 840km/h (454kt) at 37,000ft.
150 passengers
TOW (Take off wheight) 73,500kg (162,040lb)
Introduced in 1988

Boeing 707
1000km/h (540kt), economical cruising speed 897km/h (484kt)
147 passengers
TOW (Take off wheight) 68,500kg
Introduced in 1958

Boeing 733
Max cruising speed 908km/h (491kt), long range cruising speed 794km/h (429kt)
128 passengers
TOW (Take off wheight) 56,740kg (124,500lb)
Introduced in 1984

Boeing 744
Max cruising speed 939km/h (507kt), long range cruising speed 907km/h (490kt)
420 passengers in three class arrangement
TOW (Take off wheight) 180,000kg (398,500lb)
Introduced 1988 (Yes, the 747-400 was launched that late!)

Boeing 772
Typical cruising speed 905km/h (490kt)
305 passengers in three class arrangement
TOW (Take off wheight) 229,520kg (506,000lb)
Introduced in 1990

Ford Trimotor
Typical cruising speed 115mph
17 passengers
TOW (Take off wheight) 13250lbs
Introduced In 1921

Airbus A380
Typical cruising speed Mach .85 (900hm/h?? I dont have time to convert that)
523passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 560,000kg (1,235,000lb).
Introduced In 2006

AB139
Speed: 157 KTAS / 290 Km/hr
15 passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 13,227lbs or 6,000 kg
Introduced In 2001

Bae 146-300 (Avro RJ100)
Cruising speed 790km/h (426kt)
100 passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 44,225kg (97,500lb)
Introduced In 1987

C-130 Hercules
Cruising speed 571km/h (308kt)
Max payload of 23,158kg
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 44,225kg (97,500lb)
Introduced In 1970

De Havilland Comet
Cruising speed 724km/h (426kt)
44 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 52,160kg
Introduced In 1959

Aerospatiale-BA Concorde
Cruising speed 2179km/h (1176kt)
128 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 185,065kg (408,000lb)
Introduced In 1972

Sikorsky S-55
Cruising speed 137km/h (74kt)
12 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 3265kg (7200lb)
Introduced In 1971

Douglas DC3
Cruising speed 266km/h (143kt)
32 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 12,700kg (28,000lb)
Introduced In 1941


Fokker F.7
Cruising speed 155km/h
10 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 3650 kg
Introduced In 1924

Fokker F-27
Cruising speed 480km/h (260kt)
44 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 20,410kg (44,996lb)
Introduced In 1958

Junkers Ju-52
Cruising speed 215 km/h 134 mph
16 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 23,149 lb
Introduced In 1932

Vickers Viscount
Cruising speed 521km/h (282kt)
47 Passengers
MTOW (maximum take off wheight) 32,866kg (72,500lb)
Introduced In 1954


Sorry for this messy list, but i did this in a hurry.
Do the wheights actually matter in Locomotion??????


Anyway, I hope you can use this list.... Took me some time...


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Post by Steve »

Firstly, it's weight.

Secondly, not for planes.
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Well I'm a pilot so I know how to convert most of the speeds, at least, very closely. Some of the conversions depend on the altitude and the way that Locomotion finds the speed of the planes isn't very accurate, but it's close changing that would be incredibly complicated, so I'm not going to. I could modify the planes with the information you've given me, but it will take some time and I still need to get Locotool working correctly, I downloaded the new version and it still doesn't want to work correctly. :evil:
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Two things:

First, cargo capacity *is* limited to 8 bits. Therefore, 255 is the max.
Second, the 'cargo number' is only 1 bit. Consequently, 2 numbers (zero and one) are the limit.

Therefore, the max capacity for *any* vehicle in Loco is 510 (255 times 2).
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Post by Sorryaboutthemess »

DarkMatter wrote:Two things:

First, cargo capacity *is* limited to 8 bits. Therefore, 255 is the max.
Second, the 'cargo number' is only 1 bit. Consequently, 2 numbers (zero and one) are the limit.

Therefore, the max capacity for *any* vehicle in Loco is 510 (255 times 2).
Ok... I think I see what you're saying, but how do I make the A380 capacity 510? (that's as close as it well get to the "realistic" 550 according to you)
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DarkMatter wrote:Two things:

First, cargo capacity *is* limited to 8 bits. Therefore, 255 is the max.
Second, the 'cargo number' is only 1 bit. Consequently, 2 numbers (zero and one) are the limit.

Therefore, the max capacity for *any* vehicle in Loco is 510 (255 times 2).
Eh - Isn't 8-bits 256 (0~255)? :roll:
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Hack wrote:
DarkMatter wrote:Two things:

First, cargo capacity *is* limited to 8 bits. Therefore, 255 is the max.
Second, the 'cargo number' is only 1 bit. Consequently, 2 numbers (zero and one) are the limit.

Therefore, the max capacity for *any* vehicle in Loco is 510 (255 times 2).
Eh - Isn't 8-bits 256 (0~255)? :roll:
Hack: True that 2^8 = 256, but that has to include 0, so it counts from 0 to 255 because that is a total of 256 numbers. The computer uses a base two mathematical system while we use a base ten mathematical system. If you want more information on this, ask your math teacher or go on google because I can't explain it that well.
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Post by Downmaster »

Hey folks,
I am right now working on the stats, you can expect them this friday (or so)!

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Hack: True that 2^8 = 256, but that has to include 0, so it counts from 0 to 255 because that is a total of 256 numbers.
What I should have done is think about what was meant and not what was said before opening my mouth (in that of capacity, and not whether 8-bits = 256...).

As for school, that's a couple of decades past... :roll:
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Downmaster wrote:Hey folks,
I am right now working on the stats, you can expect them this friday (or so)!

Niklas
That's fine with me, I guess if you're already working on the others, there's no point in me doing the same. I only have one question, how, exactly, do you make the capacity of the airbus more than 255?
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Post by Downmaster »

Just like somebody said before, add 255 passengers, then add some again as a new cargo...


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Post by Downmaster »

Here it is, the real aircraft stats set!
Just the A380 still needs fixing, locotool doesnt accept more than twice the same cargo...

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Here it is... the Realistic Aircraft Stats set replacing all standard planes...
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Post by Sorryaboutthemess »

Downmaster wrote:Just like somebody said before, add 255 passengers, then add some again as a new cargo...


Nick
I know what they said, what they didn't say was how to do it and I still don't know how... could you tell me what I have to change or insert in the .xml file?
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Sorryaboutthemess (please tell us your real name),
if you are not comfortable handling locomotion xml files, try the locotool frontend by mathias here
The xml file of the A380 should look like this:

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<object class="0x97" subclass="0x118280" name="A380    "><chunk compression="1">
    <cargo num="0" capacity="255">
        <cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
    </cargo>
    <cargo num="1" capacity="255">
        <cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
    </cargo>   
                
	<variable name="class" size="1">2</variable>
	<unknown name="field_3" size="1">4</unknown>
	<unknown name="field_4" size="1">1</unknown>
	<variable name="nummods" size="1">0</variable>
	<variable name="costind" size="1">8</variable>
	<variable name="costfact" size="2">467</variable>
..........
The important part is the

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 <cargo num="0" capacity="255">
        <cargotype id="12">0</cargotype>
    </cargo> 
It represents one type of cargo, 255 units of cargo type 12 (passengers). You can add another one of these blocks, just like I did as you can see on the top.

I hope this answers your question!


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