Game: Guess the train

Jose · Post by **Jose** » 29 Oct 2006 14:36

The buffers, as American trains dont have them.

Post by **PikkaBird** » 29 Oct 2006 15:36

Jose is correct. This is 801, one of five S1s bought new in 1950 to work at the Margam Steelworks in Wales. They ran in service at the steelworks for over 30 years, although of course their size meant they could not work on the mainline.

It's not every day you see an American locomotive with UK-style buffers and drawgear.

Jose · Post by **Jose** » 30 Oct 2006 02:29

PikkaBird wrote:Jose is correct. This is 801, one of five S1s bought new in 1950 to work at the Margam Steelworks in Wales. They ran in service at the steelworks for over 30 years, although of course their size meant they could not work on the mainline.

It's not every day you see an American locomotive with UK-style buffers and drawgear.

You dont either, an S1 is too big for the mainline, just shows how big American lococs are.
Again dont know if this will be hard or easy
Just name and country please.

Post by **PikkaBird** » 30 Oct 2006 03:15

That's definitely an easy one.

English Electric GT3 Turbine Locomotive, United Kingdom.

Jose · Post by **Jose** » 30 Oct 2006 03:59

I was hoping you wouldnt be on for a while when i posted this one, correcto!! Nice train, do you agree?

Post by **PikkaBird** » 30 Oct 2006 07:17

For sure. It would have been very interesting if BR had decided to take them on.

Next, this should be a nice easy one... Builder, operator, country and class please.

Flavius · Post by **Flavius** » 30 Oct 2006 07:26

Country: India

Locomotive: AWC 2-8-0 goods locomotive

Company: Indian Railways

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 01:43

No, no, and no.

Any other takers?

lifeblood · Post by **lifeblood** » 31 Oct 2006 02:11

Builder:North British Locomotive Company
Operator: Turkish Republic Railways
Country: Turkey
Class: LMS Stanier Class 8F or TCDD 45151 Class (locally called "Churchill")

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 02:44

Correct.

lifeblood · Post by **lifeblood** » 31 Oct 2006 02:56

The Mosque gave it away. I figured it had to be Eastern European/Thrace/Asia Minor.

Next Challenge:
Country/Operator and Manufacture

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 03:03

Manning Wardle 0-6-0 Saddle Tank of 1889, originally built for the Midland Railway, then sold to Pauling & Co to work on railway construction in Africa (it was the first locomotive to cross the Victoria Falls bridge). Finally in 1935 it was sold to Rhodesia Railways as a shunter, before being retired and displayed in 1942. Quite a history for a little locomotive.

Leaving the nameplates visible was a bit of a giveaway.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 31 Oct 2006 09:04

> TCDD 45151 [...]

For sure it´s a NBLC 8F "Churchill" class, but it´s 45161, also at Çamlık Museum. 45151 got scrapped.

regards
Michael

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 11:34

michael blunck wrote:but it´s 45161

Yes, but they were collectively known as the 45151 Class, as indeed the wiki page you linked to indicates.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 31 Oct 2006 12:11

>> but it´s 45161

> Yes, but they were collectively known as the 45151 Class, as indeed the wiki page you linked to indicates.

Yes, indeed it does. But IMO, this is wrong. "45161" and "45151" are indeed full numbers of specific locomotives, i.e. including their serial numbers. The TCDD system was very similar to the german one, i.e. the class numbers would be "45.0 - xxx" or "57.0 - xxx".

"45151" is in no way a TCDD class number.

[edit:]
Just to explain the similarities between those two class number systems:

- class 44 are 0-8-0 (D) engines,
- class 45 are 2-8-0 (1'D) engines,
- class 46 are 2-8-2 (1'D1) engines,
- class 55 are 0-10-0 (E) engines,
- class 56 are 2-10-0 (1'E) engines,
- class 57 are 2-10-2 (1'E1) engines,

And like in Germany, where engines numbered "38.001 - 013" would be bavarian P 3/5Ns built by Maffei, numbers "38.201 - 334" would be saxon XII H2s built by Hartmann, and "38.1001 - 4051" would be prussian P8s built by Schwartzkopff, - in Turkey engines "45.151 - 170" would be NBLC´s class 8F, and "45.171 - 221" were USATC´s S160 class, etc.

regards
Michael

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 13:32

michael blunck wrote:Yes, indeed it does. But IMO, this is wrong. "45161" and "45151" are indeed full numbers of specific locomotives, i.e. including their serial numbers. The TCDD system was very similar to the german one, i.e. the class numbers would be "45.0 - xxx" or "57.0 - xxx".

According to http://www.trainsofturkey.com/ :

TCDD is not using a strict "class" number or designation for each type of engines. However in most cases, serial numbers in sequence are usually used for identical engines. Therefore, the first numbers of the series are used as a proxy for class number. For example 56301 refers to the Vulcan Foundry Decapods, 56501 is the type BR52 Kriegsloks.

lifeblood · Post by **lifeblood** » 31 Oct 2006 13:35

A seven minute turnaround, impressive!

Proceed Pikka.

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 13:42

Class and Country/Operator please. Nothing too exotic this time.

lifeblood · Post by **lifeblood** » 31 Oct 2006 13:53

Class: EMD JT22CW
Country/Operator: Ireland/Iarnród Éireann

Post by **PikkaBird** » 31 Oct 2006 14:23

11 minutes! But wrong.

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