TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

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Mike Wagstaff

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Mike Wagstaff »

I agree with that, provided that access to the raw, base OS is still
easily available for those who want it. One reason I'm not looking
forward to Windows2K is the loss of my DOS prompt. There's still a lot
I find quicker and easier to do in (4)DOS. For all its faults, Win95/98
allows both GUI and command line control.
The good news:

Windows 2000 will allow a command-line only safe-mode.
The DOS prompt is still there!

The bad news:

The DOS prompt is effectively only a DOS emulator, which
means that a lot of DOS programs (especially games, such as
TTDLX) don't like it. I don't suppose anyone has any ideas
about whether alternative, better DOS emulators exist for Win
2000?

Also, there is no equivalent to Win 95/98's "DOS mode".

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]
Edward Bernard

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Edward Bernard »

Not bad! I'll give you a B+! :-) You'd probably want to
consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
and tidy.

I'm going to sound very school teacher-ish, but I taught this sort of
stuff (to adults in evening classes) during the early nineties. I'd
dock marks for not leaving a space after each CD (not leaving a space
works simply because of a bug in early DOS that had to become a feature
as people got used to using it). I'd also put EXIT instead of the
second CLS, to return to your desktop. And I'd be lazy and use F6
rather than Ctrl-Z.
This batch file was not meant to be for running within windows, so that's
why there is no need to return to the desktop.

Eddie
Trikky

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Trikky »

Edward Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:82un87$9su$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
Is there a difference between using copy con and any alternatives (please
name them)
Copy con dosen't give you a backup of your file (I think)
Your generally better off using EDIT that comes with DOS.
What you want is the "Call <batch file>" command. That gets
around the problem. And for not knowing that, your mark is
downgraded to a C-!
I'm telling my mummy and daddy off you :-)
Ooo.....Not another fight!!!
For me, there is Microsoft....and?
EVERYTHING!!!!

Lotus smartsuite........I would rather use that than Office anyday...
For every MS proggy there is an alternative.....And most of them are
better...

I was told a while ago one of the problems with writing a program
yourself......MS didn't want to give out the memory access info and other
things. meaning that you would have to use generic commands rather than
using SPECIFIC calls (This bit isn't very well formulated sorry. But you
get the gist)

--
Rick McGreal
ICQ - 51210676
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk
Trikky

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Trikky »

Rémi Denis <rden...@pop3.multi1mania2.com> wrote in message
news:dAI44.274$Rw4.2048099@nnrp2.proxad.net...
It seems that you often send the same post twice. I'm becoming bored, you
know. Please be more careful next time.
Who? Me?

If I do...Sorry...Not my intention... B-(

--
Rick McGreal
ICQ - 51210676
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk
Edward Bernard

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Edward Bernard »

Who? Me?

If I do...Sorry...Not my intention... B-(
No, Steve
Trikky

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Trikky »

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:38559927.1585198@news.ctv.es...
BTW, when I type (4)DOS, what I mean is that for many years I have used
the 3rd Party COMMAND.COM replacement, 4DOS.COM, with great success. I
don't think I could imagine life without it.
Is there any other way of running command line switches?
From the START menu and click RUN you can do it there.......But thats it.

--
Rick McGreal
ICQ - 51210676
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk
Trikky

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Trikky »

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:38569a09.1811348@news.ctv.es...
In pedantic mode, the first DOS that Microsoft produced was called
PC-DOS and was for the IBM PC. It wasn't until the first clones (such
as the COMPAQ) were produced that a version of PC-DOS was marketed
called MS-DOS.
I thought that PC-DOS ran with different command lines?
Old fogeys starter for ten.
What was the main difference between PC-DOS and MS-DOS?
Erm...I'm not sure anbout the MAIN difference.......But the MEM command
didn't work in PC-DOS.......
And you had a lot more abilities with the DIR command.

That do?
--
Rick McGreal
ICQ - 51210676
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk
Phillip Michael Jordan

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Phillip Michael Jordan »

Paul Wright <paul-wri...@SPAMSPAMSPAMu.genie.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OGBgzALR$GA.169@cpmsnbbsa05...
linux insted of win9x
and especially instead of WinNT on the server side. Take MS Backoffice it
costs something around 1000â?¬ (euro)
a good Linux Distribution costs about 25â?¬ (euro) AND includes almost all
software needed for a small to medium-sized network. For WinNT you have to
buy mail servers, Proxy servers or gateways, firewalls etc. And if you have
more servers you need more licenses (e.g. for a BDS, Backup Domain Server)
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Phillip Michael Jordan

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Phillip Michael Jordan »

Trikky <tri...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:82umk2$qk9$1@gxsn.com...
Paul Wright <paul-wri...@SPAMSPAMSPAMu.genie.co.uk> wrote in message
news:#Zk7Xj9Q$GA.214@cpmsnbbsa02...
i agree there two, i thnk w2k is stable, never yet crashed once unless i
told it to do

How do you tell it to crash?

--
Start it ;-)
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Bill Hayles

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Bill Hayles »

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:34:33 -0000, "Trikky" <tri...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:38569a09.1811348@news.ctv.es...
In pedantic mode, the first DOS that Microsoft produced was called
PC-DOS and was for the IBM PC. It wasn't until the first clones (such
as the COMPAQ) were produced that a version of PC-DOS was marketed
called MS-DOS.

I thought that PC-DOS ran with different command lines?
Erm, no.
Old fogeys starter for ten.
What was the main difference between PC-DOS and MS-DOS?

Erm...I'm not sure anbout the MAIN difference.......But the MEM command
didn't work in PC-DOS.......
The MEM command didn't come in until Version 5 - before then, there was
nothing to MEM except the first 640k, which CHKDSK checked for you.

And you had a lot more abilities with the DIR command.
I think you're comparing different versions. Or maybe you're getting
mixed up with the much later PC-DOS versions 6 and 7, which were brought
out by IBM itself in competition to MS-DOS. I'm talking about Microsoft
PC-DOS, which was installed on IBM machines, and Microsoft MS-DOS
installed on non IBM machines.

I'm rambling, but maybe you don't realise just how primitive PC-DOS
version 1 was.

For example, it knew nothing about hard disks. It recognised 8" and
5.25" floppies up to 360k capacity. These could each contain 127 files.
There were no subdirectories.

The first version that you would probably recognise as DOS would be
version 2.11, which came in both MS and PC versions. This recognised a
hard disk up to 32Mb capacity, and subdirectories. When you got to
version 3.3, you could have 3.5" disks and any number of 32Mb hard
disks. With version 4, you got bigger hard disks, and with version 5,
Extended memory was finally brought into use.

There was only one real difference between MS and PC flavours of the
same version, and it had to do with a hardware difference between IBM
and non IBM machines.

As a clue, I'll ask this teaser:

Very often, if you try to boot a computer which has no disks, either
hard or floppy attached, you will see the message:

ROM BASIC NOT FOUND. SYSTEM HALTED.

Why doesn't it just say "NO DISKS FOUND?"

El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es
Bill Hayles

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Bill Hayles »

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:23:15 -0000, "Trikky" <tri...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:38559927.1585198@news.ctv.es...
BTW, when I type (4)DOS, what I mean is that for many years I have used
the 3rd Party COMMAND.COM replacement, 4DOS.COM, with great success. I
don't think I could imagine life without it.

Is there any other way of running command line switches?
From the START menu and click RUN you can do it there.......But thats it.
As well as 4DOS, there are various applets around that let you run
Windows from a GUI command line. I've tried a few but always gone back
to 4DOS.

El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es
Peter J. Dobrovka

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Peter J. Dobrovka »

Mike Wagstaff schrieb in Nachricht
<435822854504385NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
Windows 2000 will allow a command-line only safe-mode.
The DOS prompt is still there!

The bad news:

The DOS prompt is effectively only a DOS emulator, which
means that a lot of DOS programs (especially games, such as
TTDLX) don't like it. I don't suppose anyone has any ideas
about whether alternative, better DOS emulators exist for Win
2000?

Also, there is no equivalent to Win 95/98's "DOS mode".
I already can't run TTDX under Win NT. This is not nice. And Win2000 claims
to have the technology of Win NT.
Win95 was a quite good idea, but Win98 I will never install. Maybe I will
run Win2000 next year on a secondary computer.

Peter
Edward Bernard

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Edward Bernard »

and especially instead of WinNT on the server side. Take MS Backoffice it
costs something around 1000? (euro)
a good Linux Distribution costs about 25? (euro) AND includes almost all
software needed for a small to medium-sized network. For WinNT you have to
buy mail servers, Proxy servers or gateways, firewalls etc. And if you
have
more servers you need more licenses (e.g. for a BDS, Backup Domain Server)
Grrrrr.....why can I see your euros? I'll try and send some, and I'll bet
they turn out as question marks.

There should be five euros here: ? ? ? ? ?

Now....let's see...

Eddie
Peter J. Dobrovka

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Peter J. Dobrovka »

Edward Bernard schrieb in Nachricht <83155j$tb...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
There should be five euros here: ? ? ? ? ?

Now....let's see...
Only question marks

This is a matter of font I guess...

Peter

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Mike Wagstaff

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Mike Wagstaff »

Is there any other way of running command line switches?
From the START menu and click RUN you can do it there.......But thats it.
Well, you can always right-click on the relevant program in
Explorer and select "Properties". From there, click the
"Program" tab at the top and you can edit the "Cmd line" to
include whatever switches you like. Also, if you follow the
program name by a space and a question mark (" ?"), then it
will prompt you for switches each time you run the program.

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]
Steve

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Steve »

In article <435822854504385NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
<a...@dial.pipex.com> writes:
The good news:

Windows 2000 will allow a command-line only safe-mode.
The DOS prompt is still there!

The bad news:

The DOS prompt is effectively only a DOS emulator, which
means that a lot of DOS programs (especially games, such as
TTDLX) don't like it. I don't suppose anyone has any ideas
about whether alternative, better DOS emulators exist for Win
2000?

Also, there is no equivalent to Win 95/98's "DOS mode".
The good news:

I'm never getting Winblowz 2000.
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me
Steve

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Steve »

In article <82rqb8$1t...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Edward Bernard"
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.net> writes:
You've been saying you're getting 2 of every post....then why are we getting
two of your posts?
1) Who is 'you'?

2) I'm not getting two of anyone's posts.
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me
Steve

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Steve »

In article <82p9t6$ja...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Edward Bernard"
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> writes:
One TT Batch file. Note I didn't use Tycoon.bat to run the game, as
sometimes there are problems when running a batch within a batch.
You'd often get it running circles and have to use CTRL+C to kill the batch.
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me
Rémi Denis

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Rémi Denis »

Edward Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> a écrit dans le message :
82un87$9s...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
Not bad! I'll give you a B+! :-) You'd probably want to
consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
and tidy. But using "copy con" to write a batch file... Wow!
I thought that particular idea went along with the dinosaurs!

Thank you.
Is there a difference between using copy con and any alternatives (please
name them)
On old DOS version (3.3 for example), you may use EDLIN which is a little
more powerful. For most recent version (6.0, Win9x), you should use EDIT
instead. Note that you may use Windows's NOTEPAD too (or any other text
editor supporting ASCII text format).

--
Rémi
Eddie

Phillip Michael Jordan

Re: [OT] Re: TTDLX in Hasbro's "Tycoon collection"

Post by Phillip Michael Jordan »

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:83150s$gi$2@news06.btx.dtag.de...
Mike Wagstaff schrieb in Nachricht
435822854504385NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>...

Windows 2000 will allow a command-line only safe-mode.
The DOS prompt is still there!

The bad news:

The DOS prompt is effectively only a DOS emulator, which
means that a lot of DOS programs (especially games, such as
TTDLX) don't like it. I don't suppose anyone has any ideas
about whether alternative, better DOS emulators exist for Win
2000?

Also, there is no equivalent to Win 95/98's "DOS mode".


I already can't run TTDX under Win NT. This is not nice. And Win2000
claims
to have the technology of Win NT.
Win95 was a quite good idea, but Win98 I will never install. Maybe I will
run Win2000 next year on a secondary computer.

To be honest, I was against Win98 first too... but on a newer PC with 128MB+
of RAM it's better than Win95... also more stable, because it already has
motherboard drivers and everything on the CD.

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