[WIP/REL] Soviet/Russian Set - Test pack 1 is ready

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » 26 Jul 2006 02:48

Soviet trains......I only seen some steam locomotive in CMOR Raimuseum,and COMR DF1's tech was copied from T33,Some Soviet train style still use for China's Railway research.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 27 Jul 2006 17:59

We've also made some conversions too, like these for example. The problem is that we asked the authors of original MSTS models if they allow us to use them, but they haven't yet replied...

There are some trucks too, but the MSTS2Loco doesn't have the right angles for cars and trams.

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 27 Jul 2006 18:07

Damage wrote:We've also made some conversions too, like these for example. The problem is that we asked the authors of original MSTS models if they allow us to use them, but they haven't yet replied...

They look nice! I tried the ER22-22 train, it's very good...

But i have a question (not critic, i'm stupid in Russian rail vehicles topic) does these (ЭР-22 and ЭД-9) EMUs carry mail? or have they got mailvan?

When will you relaease a bigger pack, with Diesel and Electric trains, and rolling stock like wagons?

IMO you should release ED-9 and ER-22 and the other MSTS converted trains in a ZIP file, if it isn't a big problem...

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 27 Jul 2006 19:06

AFAIK, no, there is no mail carriage, and they don't carry mail at all. They are mostly suburban trains.

I would like to release it, but i'm not sure that there is enough vehicles at this moment. All the conversions are pending for permission from their authors, so it would be wrong to release them now. So the only vehicles, that are ready for releasing in our project at this moment are those made by me and also Seelenquell's tram.

For now the conversions are availible for downloading from our forum, but it's just for testing and internal use, not for releasing. If you want to test some of them, I can send you personnaly. But, of course, no distribution or something.

And all my models I've already posted...

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 27 Jul 2006 19:20

Damage wrote:AFAIK, no, there is no mail carriage, and they don't carry mail at all. They are mostly suburban trains.

I would like to release it, but i'm not sure that there is enough vehicles at this moment. All the conversions are pending for permission from their authors, so it would be wrong to release them now. So the only vehicles, that are ready for releasing in our project at this moment are those made by me and also Seelenquell's tram.

For now the conversions are availible for downloading from our forum, but it's just for testing and internal use, not for releasing. If you want to test some of them, I can send you personnaly. But, of course, no distribution or something.

And all my models I've already posted...

OK, i can wait that time, many other people converted MSTS trains from all kind of countries, and they usually allow to use their trains in other games like Locomotion.

I saw pics on the net about ЭР-22, ЭД-9 and ТУ-2. Poor ER-22 trains are in worse condition, very rusty... most of the photos were taken in 1994/95 on that Russian site. But 1 was in nice condition on an 1997 pic...

TU-2 look really cool, and ED-9 look modern, but not that ugly make-me-vomit modernity, like American or West-Europena or Japanese vehicles, because it dosen't have lots of "design" on it... a simple geometrical object... so it looks COOL!!!

Personylly i think those red stars which symbols the rise of the USSR and the socialism look good on vehicles, buildings, statues, flags, etc. because it has POWER (even if i'm not communist)

EVEN the Heineken beer stole the Red Star... lol... a Holland Beer

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 27 Jul 2006 20:13

I saw pics on the net about ЭР-22, ЭД-9 and ТУ-2. Poor ER-22 trains are in worse condition, very rusty... most of the photos were taken in 1994/95 on that Russian site. But 1 was in nice condition on an 1997 pic...

Yeah, that's true. But some of them are still running! Looks like soviet engineers and constructors built for ages. Even the houses, built in the Stalin epoque, are considered one of the most age-resistant.

TU-2 look really cool, and ED-9 look modern, but not that ugly make-me-vomit modernity, like American or West-Europena or Japanese vehicles, because it dosen't have lots of "design" on it... a simple geometrical object... so it looks COOL!!!

Agree, all the trains are very different from other countries designs. I took most of my photos on http://www.parovoz.com/newgallery/

Personylly i think those red stars which symbols the rise of the USSR and the socialism look good on vehicles, buildings, statues, flags, etc. because it has POWER (even if i'm not communist)

That's because the communists have created a legend, an image. Whole soviet propaganda machine worked on it. The symbol is simple, noticeable, but has a special atmosphere around it.
As you may have noticed, I've added a red star to Er-22 and Tu2. Imho it improves the look very much.

EVEN the Heineken beer stole the Red Star...

You've asked - I'm doing it. Now I try to convert Kamaz. Met some problems...

/upd MAZ and KamAZ are done, thanks a lot to Seelenquell, but again I cannot release it, because it's a conversion. Here's a screenshot.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 28 Jul 2006 15:14

PEU2 Narrow Gauge Electric loco. I'm not sure about the scale. Anyone knows the real size of these standart trains? The TU2 is about 10m long. So should I make TU2 smaller or PEU2 bigger?

scpk2000 · Post by **scpk2000** » 28 Jul 2006 15:43

Wow...those look really great...I hope we get to use them in the game some time:D

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 28 Jul 2006 20:57

Glad, that you liked them.

I've made 5 more vehicles: wagons, ng locos, and an automotrice. I'll post screenshots soon. Still no response from MSTS model creators, so looks like you'll have to wait some more time.

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 28 Jul 2006 22:18

Damage wrote:Glad, that you liked them.

I've made 5 more vehicles: wagons, ng locos, and an automotrice. I'll post screenshots soon. Still no response from MSTS model creators, so looks like you'll have to wait some more time.

Yes, we like them. Maybe MSTS modellers are busy, and the trucks look nice. You done good job, and personally i like it very much that an East European from the postcommunist area (like me) make that vehicles that we see on the streets in our home country. Better than ultra-futuristic s*** which have so many computer bugs on their engine controlling computer that they spend their lifetime in the service garage...

BTW is the 1965 release for ЭР-22 real? because it's 41 years old and it still run in Russia

You could make wide-gauge rail for Russian trains

(Ok, last one was a joke)

scpk2000 · Post by **scpk2000** » 28 Jul 2006 22:20

That's right, I remember they have 2 gauges of rails in Russia. I read about in a story I was reading. They have switching houses where I think either the engines or carriages have different wheels switched out...is that right?

Kosov_1986 · Post by **Kosov_1986** » 28 Jul 2006 22:28

scpk2000 wrote:That's right, I remember they have 2 gauges of rails in Russia. I read about in a story I was reading. They have switching houses where I think either the engines or carriages have different wheels switched out...is that right?

I heard in Soviet times, when Ukraine which is our neighbor country was part of USSR, as they get cargo trains to wide-gauge, they always make some part of the cargo "disappear"... so they bring that home...

USSR was a huge country... it had inner borders... people needed inner passport to travel from one state to another, like from Ukraine to Kazahstan etc.

That all collapsed, because the side effectsof communism get visible and people want democracy, so they get it... like in the whole East Europe... Czehslovakia slip up into Czeh and Slovakian land, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary changed regime, USSR split into 15 countries, Yugoslavia split to Bosnia, Slovenia, small-Yugoslavia (nowdays Serbia and Montenegro), Macedonia, Croatia in a big civil war...

PS: sorry for off but history help us understand the present...

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 28 Jul 2006 23:15

Thanks, pals! I'm very glad to hear that!

Ok, as i promised, another sneakpeak.

Added ZIL, Narrow gauge steam engine R20 and BP-1 automotrice (was designed in 50-ies on the base of GAZ-51 truck).

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 28 Jul 2006 23:22

And some more...
Such as Steel car, VL4 narrow gauge electric unit and Pafawag ng passenger carriage.

scpk2000, you're right.
The soviet/russian gauge is 1520mm. That's because historically russian railways appeared later than most of europeans. By this time engeeners calculated, that wider 1520mm gauge will be better than standart european. The bad side of this is that every train going to Europe or back to Russia has to change wheels, and that takes a lot of time. Guess they could steal everything they wanted during this change...

USSR was a... strange country, I must admit. Somewhat too artificial. But the tech level was maintaind as high as possible. Hence so many interesting vehicles.
Do you know, if USSR did export many trains or any other vehicles to Eastern Europe countries? And is there anything left now?

BTW is the 1965 release for ЭР-22 real?

Yes, but that's for older version, which I recreated.
There's an upgraded one, with different looking cabin. Designed in 1975, AFAIK. I think the oldest trains still running were created in 80's. But I'm not sure, so I'll check this.

The good news is that we've found one of the MSTS modellers (or maybe he found us...), and looks like he don't mind if we use his models. We'll try to contact the others...

Samuel · Post by **Samuel** » 29 Jul 2006 05:07

Damage,Do you know any thing about this electronic locomotive order by CMOR in 1988?when China was large-scale imported USSR industry products like kamaz trucks(many still in use now),CMOR ordered some large electronic locomotive,I only know CMOR was numbered them as 8G seriers electronic locomotive,run on Shijiazhuang---Taiyuan railroad for heavy feight transport
photo at here:

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 29 Jul 2006 08:44

Well, the first loco that I'd think of is VL65. Looks similiar, but as you can see it has different number of wheels. Which gauge do Chinese railways use? Maybe they were changed because it was a special order? But IMHO in Loco they'll be just like twins.

VL85 looks similar too.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 30 Jul 2006 12:20

Mikhail Yaroslavtsev (E69) agreed to share some MSTS models with us, so now i can post them.

Here's the PD-1 motorailer.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 30 Jul 2006 13:15

Pafawag Narrow Gauge Passenger Carriage.
MSTS model also made by Mikhail.

/upd Newer version availible on page 4.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 30 Jul 2006 13:22

"QUAD (post) DAMAGE!"

Found some 3DS MAX models of russian trucks and busses.

I've made PAZ bus from one of them. Just need to ask the authors of 3DSMAX model.

Also I've downloaded VL-85, will try it.

Damage · Post by **Damage** » 02 Aug 2006 23:20

Added ZiS-155 Bus (see first post). Quite famous, I think I've seen it in old movies.

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