Bundesbahn set [Planning & pasting - 2,13% done]

Singaporekid · Post by **Singaporekid** » 13 Jan 2005 07:56

I remade the BR 01 with a lower cab, also added a streamlined version

Bernhard · Post by **Bernhard** » 13 Jan 2005 07:58

what about my RE160??

(sorry, bad picture-quality)

Train drives to the left!!!!!!!!!! Engin must push

Singaporekid · Post by **Singaporekid** » 13 Jan 2005 10:51

A quick mockup of the locos I'll probably do

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 13 Jan 2005 11:44

Why do you start drawing the / views of multiple engines, in stead of completely finish one before starting another one? Just curiousity...

Railmanager · Post by **Railmanager** » 13 Jan 2005 14:10

Hello everybody,

this DB passengerset is a very great idea.
Some funktions and trains are still missing in DBSETXL.

In Version 0.8 you can refit passenger trains (long travel) with some locomotives to special trains like "Rheingold" or "F-Zug".
Maybe you can use this function for all other long travel trains, too.
Some German locomotives are/were in use for IC and IR, but in DBSETXL only one long travel typ is possible for trains after 1988 for each locomotive, at time.
I made a list for typical IR/IC locomotive, which could use the refit option:

IC/IR (since 1988)
BR 103
BR 101 (since 1997)
BR 111
BR 112
BR 120
BR 181
BR 218
BR 232

Only IR
BR 110

The IR is out of duty since 2005. The last few trains had the original IR colour in blue. ICs changed the colour to trafficred/lightgray in 1997 and lightgray/trafficred (like ICE) in 1999.

If anyone needs help, get in touch with me.

Yellow Cab · Post by **Yellow Cab** » 13 Jan 2005 14:39

Will this set (if it's ever finished...) be compatible with MB's DB-XL set? I mean: is it usable as an addition to it?

Yellow Cab

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 13 Jan 2005 14:48

Probably not, AFAIR MB didn't agree with that... actually, I believe MB sees us as a compitetor... (or however you write that)

Bernhard · Post by **Bernhard** » 13 Jan 2005 15:01

maybe...........it would be possible someday to load as many graphic sets as anyone will. And the number of slots that are now a problem aren't a problem anymore

little suggestion to the devs............ No static ID's but variational ID's for the trains. E.g. first loaded is number one, second is 2, third is 3............

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 13 Jan 2005 15:02

Purno wrote:Probably not, AFAIR MB didn't agree with that... actually, I believe MB sees us as a compitetor... (or however you write that)

Honestly, I don't think he does. But the DBXL already uses every single vehicle ID itself, there's no way you can run another grf file at the same time without removing some DBXL vehicles, which causes other problems of course.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 13 Jan 2005 15:05

Well, AFAIR, MB suddenly included S-bahn in the DBset, after we drew it for this passenger set... or something similar...

I'm not saying anything for sure... I'm only trying to remember... that's all.

And indeed, one of the reasons MB mentioned is the problems that would occur when mixing two sets. (IIRC)

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 13 Jan 2005 15:13

I got the dynamic table working!!

Overview for everybody:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/kleinesaski/ttd/
Edit mode for set developers (password protected):
http://mitglied.lycos.de/kleinesaski/ttd/edit/
It's not yet updated with the newest data (see Excel table on first post in this topic), but if someone wants, he may do it

The passwords will be sent to the developers

@Bernhard, I have an Idea: we'll include it to enable doubledecker cars, ok?
- If you build an engine, it gets normal vehicles when you build passenger cars
- If you build a doubledecker Steuerwagen, it also gets doubledecker vehicles as passenger cars, and the engine needs to be built last.
But there are still some bugs in the RE160 Steuerwagen, like sparks above it. And it overrides the passenger car Veh-ID

@Railmanager: yes, it was planned to do it like MB did it in his set (e.g. 103 -> TEE, 110 -> Rheingold, ...). I would like it best, if we find a way to change the livery of some engines (e.g. 01: orient red or S-Bahn, ...) and it's cars (IC, IR, S-Bahn) by the refit dialog, like it works for cargo cars.

@Singapore: cool

Bernhard · Post by **Bernhard** » 13 Jan 2005 15:23

Saskia wrote: @Bernhard, I have an Idea: we'll include it to enable doubledecker cars, ok?
- If you build a doubledecker Steuerwagen, it also gets doubledecker vehicles as passenger cars, and the engine needs to be built last.
But there are still some bugs in the RE160 Steuerwagen, like sparks above it. And it overrides the passenger car Veh-ID

so it does!!!!!!!!
Bye one Steuerwagen, add passenger/postwagons and they become doubledecker wagons. Last you add an engine.
But i had to give the Steuerwagen 1 PS. i can't code an engine with no-power.

the sparks must go, no problem.

what do you mean with ''And it overrides the passenger car Veh-ID'' ?

Saskia · Post by **Saskia** » 13 Jan 2005 16:08

I meant that it overrides the passenger wagon, because it seems to has the same Veh-ID

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 13 Jan 2005 17:23

Hi, some suggestions for the website

:

It would be awesome to have pictures of the trains you want drawn

I guess you know why

It would be very useful to be able to set a query after another one. (Like in the edit page) So you don't have to click "Previous" to go to another query... but it looks good, so keep up the great work.

It would be nice if the links would be in your signature... I hope you don't mind?

One question about these letters: What's type P (engine???) and what's type U (railbus???) ?

EDIT: What about a developer-discussion chat thingie like an IRC channel or MSN meetings? Just a suggestion...

Raichase · Post by **Raichase** » 13 Jan 2005 21:39

Purno wrote:Well, AFAIR, MB suddenly included S-bahn in the DBset, after we drew it for this passenger set... or something similar...

To put this to rest - Michael has a lot of graphics that he has/had drawn for the different sets, and some ideas of what to put into the sets. He had done the S-Bahn train a while back, but, along with many other things he wanted in the set, couldn't fit them into the set.

However, with various patch developments, and the notion that people *would* need a train for high-density lines, he decided to use the S-Bahn.

Now, thats fixed. Personally, I still don't understand why this set keeps getting closer to the DBXL, it would have been really well suited as a passenger set, rather than a "replacement" set...

Also, Josef's right - Michael doesn't see you guys as competition, he's not like that (although a lot of people would like to think he is, for some reason).

Now, thats all for that there, as I don't want the *usuals* popping up and trying to dredge up their copyright discussion here. Keep up with the work, and good to see you back Saskia

.

Singaporekid · Post by **Singaporekid** » 14 Jan 2005 07:06

Purno wrote:Why do you start drawing the / views of multiple engines, in stead of completely finish one before starting another one? Just curiousity...

Im weird.

Nah, just seeing if these locos looked good and if Saskia or anyone wanted to take any locos out

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 14 Jan 2005 07:23

Raichase wrote:
Purno wrote:Well, AFAIR, MB suddenly included S-bahn in the DBset, after we drew it for this passenger set... or something similar...
(...)

Well, I think I need to apologize then...

Railmanager · Post by **Railmanager** » 14 Jan 2005 07:24

Saskia wrote:@Bernhard, I have an Idea: we'll include it to enable doubledecker cars, ok?
- If you build an engine, it gets normal vehicles when you build passenger cars
- If you build a doubledecker Steuerwagen, it also gets doubledecker vehicles as passenger cars, and the engine needs to be built last.
But there are still some bugs in the RE160 Steuerwagen, like sparks above it. And it overrides the passenger car Veh-ID

Maybe East-German doubledeck-waggons with Steuerwagen for Epoche III-V in different colours are also interesting. Typical locomotives for these cars are 109 (ex 211), 142 (ex 242), 143 (ex 243), 219 (ex 119), 229, 228 (ex 118) and 232 (ex 132).

Saskia wrote: @Railmanager: yes, it was planned to do it like MB did it in his set (e.g. 103 -> TEE, 110 -> Rheingold, ...). I would like it best, if we find a way to change the livery of some engines (e.g. 01: orient red or S-Bahn, ...) and it's cars (IC, IR, S-Bahn) by the refit dialog, like it works for cargo cars.

I think you mean 111. Great idea to chance the colour of the locomotive too.

I read that you want to involve the V320 (232 Bundesbahn), it is a great maschine, but only a prototype (1 locomotive). Maybe locomotives with a serial build number are more usefull...

If you need any help for realistic trains, colours and technical information, write me.

Bernhard · Post by **Bernhard** » 14 Jan 2005 07:48

Railmanager wrote: Maybe East-German doubledeck-waggons with Steuerwagen for Epoche III-V in different colours are also interesting. Typical locomotives for these cars are 109 (ex 211), 142 (ex 242), 143 (ex 243), 219 (ex 119), 229, 228 (ex 118) and 232 (ex 132).

You ca use every engine you want, even steamers

Built one Steuerwagen, add wagons (passenger/post) after that add an engine. Only that engine will push the train.
The Steuerwagen only has 1 PS (must be, because i must code the Steuerwagen as an engine, and engines have power!!!)

Other colours are not that problem, we had the discussion here:
http://ttdlxhq.raysworld.ch/board/threa ... f06ab82b45
(long thread....... old colours are at side 3 or so...)

Railmanager · Post by **Railmanager** » 14 Jan 2005 08:09

You can use all locomotives, but not every maschine can push the train in real life, because you need "Wendezugsteuerung" (pushing system).
The DR ones are not the same than the RE160. They look different and had a different pushing system. The Vmax of the DR ones was 120 km/h and later 140 km/h. The RE160 can be pushed with 160 km/h (BR 111, BR 112.1 and BR 114 (renamed and optimized 112.0 in Y2K). There are also doubledeck waggons build 1993 (mintgreen/lightgray), which look like the RE160 ones with a Vmax of 140 km/h.

Transport Tycoon Forums

Bundesbahn set [Planning & pasting - 2,13% done]

What do you think about this?

Who is online