32-bit Experimental Graphics for OpenTTD 32bpp

NikiB · Post by **NikiB** » 21 Mar 2007 16:46

Does the player, to get these kind of look and feel, need to download 2 gb?
I cannot imagine that...

I think all stuff, including files needed for developing take up 2 gb.

StopRightThere · Post by **StopRightThere** » 21 Mar 2007 18:45

DaleStan wrote:
Killer 11 wrote:Erm PNG CAN be compresed
Not by much though. Admittedly, it's a small sample size, but the 7 PNG files I just rared up lost approximately 5% of their original size.

But 5% of 2gb is approx 100mb less, which sounds like less downloading. I guess tho, that zip/rar/7ziping etc is only useful with big files?

Sergej_S, those screenshots look very nice. Can't wait for the official 32-bpp release!

Keep up the good work!

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 21 Mar 2007 19:09

At 8Mbps (approximately my maximum attainable speed), 2 GB would take 34:08 to download. Assuming 5% compression, the compressed version would take 32:25 to download. With those transfer times, the 1:42 compression saves is only worth the effort if all other things are equal. If Open can read the 2GB version directly, but not the 1.9GB, it's probably not worth the hassle.

Usually, compression is only useful if you're using it as a container or if you're getting ~15% or more compression. (Backup media is an obvious exception here.) Frequency of use and speed of decompression are major factors in determining where to place the cut off.

StopRightThere · Post by **StopRightThere** » 21 Mar 2007 19:23

Fair enough. Not worth it I guess...

I suppose that 2.5gb(ish) of Sergej_S's openttd is mostly dev files though...

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 21 Mar 2007 20:00

gamezguy wrote:Fair enough. Not worth it I guess...
I suppose that 2.5gb(ish) of Sergej_S's openttd is mostly dev files though...

On the sizes of files of the images.

I already answered some times this question in the summer of the last year on Russian forum.

I demonstrate once again change of the size of one staff
At transition with 8-bit on 32-bit on an example of a water tower:
The first file - technology 8-bit - 2 Кб...
The second file - technology 32-bit - 85 Кб...

Pay attention to the sizes of files...
The size has increased in 40 times!!!
And it goes speech only about one staff...
The platform OpenTTD 32bpp contains about 6 000 staff...

Now mentally multiplication - 85 * 6 000 = 510 Mb,
And it only minimal size...

Ancient 8-bit technology is necessary really to expect, that if
" Chris Sawyers Locomotion " borrows(occupies) complete CD-Rom, why 32-bit of the image
Should have the smaller sizes???

I hope - has answered your questions...

There will be questions still - address...

Yours faithfully!

Sergej.
The note: the given images to not use! Is shown only as an example!!!

matrixs · Post by **matrixs** » 21 Mar 2007 20:10

thats incredable... good work ...

----NO COMENTS----

brupje · Post by **brupje** » 21 Mar 2007 20:10

Killer 11 wrote:Erm PNG CAN be compresed and i have done so numerous times...
Tough i dunno if it's compresed in the .TAR already...

tar won't compress them further. Something like bunzip2 will. But it's probably not much

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 21 Mar 2007 20:12

New vehicle -
The first Soviet trolley bus LK-1 1933 of release.

The author of model - Denis , Russia.

The new mathematical model is used
For movement on the crossed district...

Check of job of model I recommend to do(make) on assembly OpenTTD 32bpp, thus It is necessary to switch on a mode of real acceleration...
Enable realistic acceleration for road vehicles - ON
Disable road vehicle speed limit - ON

Appearance and the characteristics are shown on a real copy of the screen.
On the given copy of the screen is shown of 69 976 unique colours.

The graphic images of the following magnificent artists are used 32-bit:
Alltaken , New Zealand
Aracirion ,
Athanasios , Greece
BerberJesus , Germany
Brupje , Netherlands
Czestmyr , Czechia
Dmh_mac , Netherlands
Thgergo , Hungary
Wacki , Czechia
ZxBiohazardZx , Netherlands

The files GRF/TAR by the size 261 Кб can be taken in archive here:
http://lidars.narod.ru/Files/OpenTTD/LK1w.rar

Recommended kind of a line for testing new algorithm of movement on crossed
The districts can be seen here http://lidars.narod.ru/Index.files/Page3111.htm

The application:1 - Information on the authors of a set.
2 - Characteristics of model LK-1.
3 - Appearance LK-1.

Sergej
The note:
The screen is shown only for preliminary viewing, scale of houses and circuit of illumination at the artists different, the white contour of buildings and objects will be automatically removed in the final version of graphic images.

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 21 Mar 2007 20:26

brupje wrote:
Killer 11 wrote:Erm PNG CAN be compresed and i have done so numerous times...
Tough i dunno if it's compresed in the .TAR already...
tar won't compress them further. Something like bunzip2 will. But it's probably not much

I welcome all!

Let's stop conversations on compression of the images!!!

The files TAR are not compressed, I work with WinRar - difference no more than 3-4 % is obviously senselessly!!!

It is necessary really to look at a Thing!!!

There is no a lot of good image in the small sizes!!!

Sergej

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 22 Mar 2007 19:53

New automobile set of structures for the version OpenTTD 32bpp
Depot, Bus station, Cargo station

Graphics by Brupje, Netherlands

The appearance is shown on a real copy of the screen.
On the given copy of the screen 81 023 unique colours are shown.

Archive in the size of 665 KB here
http://lidars.narod.ru/Files/OpenTTD/Ro ... _Set_Z.tar
The minimally necessary version - OpenTTD 32bpp 8942.

The graphic images of the following magnificent artists are used 32-bit:
Alltaken , New Zealand
Aracirion ,
Athanasios , Greece
BerberJesus , Germany
Brupje , Netherlands
Czestmyr , Czechia
Dmh_mac , Netherlands
Thgergo , Hungary
Wacki , Czechia
ZxBiohazardZx , Netherlands

Sergej
The note:
The screen is shown only for preliminary viewing, scale of houses and circuit of illumination at the artists different, the white contour of buildings and objects will be automatically removed in the final version of graphic images.

Killer 11 · Post by **Killer 11** » 22 Mar 2007 20:03

There's a VERY clear and dumb bug on the way truck stop is hown...
You've got to sort some overlaping problems there!

jonty-comp · Post by **jonty-comp** » 22 Mar 2007 21:34

Yes, I noticed that, and the road it's connected to doesn't lead anywhere.

Nevertheless, these shots are very nice! I can't wait to be able to play a multiplayer game with 32bpp graphics.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 22 Mar 2007 23:46

Please note it can offend the actual artists who have worked hard on these to see criticisms on work they know isn't finished.

Crazy Vaclav · Post by **Crazy Vaclav** » 23 Mar 2007 16:35

Especially if the artist told sergej not to use his graphics this way.

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 23 Mar 2007 19:49

I show variant of the small airport for a moderate climate.

The graphic images of the following magnificent artists are used 32-bit:
Alltaken , New Zealand
Aracirion ,
Athanasios , Greece
BerberJesus , Germany
Brupje , Netherlands
Czestmyr , Czechia
Dmh_mac , Netherlands
Thgergo , Hungary
Wacki , Czechia
ZxBiohazardZx , Netherlands

The Airport Small 1940 Temperate Zoom Landscape can be received under the direct references here:
http://lidars.narod.ru/Files/OpenTTD/Ai ... Temp_Z.tar
The minimally necessary version - OpenTTD 32bpp 8942.

The note:
The screen is shown only for preliminary viewing, scale of houses and circuit of illumination at the artists different, the white contour of buildings and objects will be automatically removed in the final version of graphic images.

Sergej

mauddib · Post by **mauddib** » 23 Mar 2007 20:36

It has been some time since I last posted on this forum. I would like to add some kind words to those who have made all the work on 32-bpp possible and propose some future developments.

First of all, I understand it must have been a Herculan task to bring the game to 32-bpp. Some years ago I looked into the graphics code, but everything was so 'static' that I couldn't figure out where to begin the changes.

As Alltaken said, it was a post from me that seemed to have started it all: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#214035
Looking back, and seeing all the progress, I must say that the honours lay with all the graphic artists, coders, managers (AllTaken has done so much work) and enthusiasts giving feedback. It's interesting to note that in my original post, I was already afraid that the size of the sprites might pose a future problem. In my post I thought the increase in size would be around 16-times the current sprite-set. Since many of the sprites have increased its tile-size and the width of the tiles has become 256 pixels, the increase could be better estimated as 64 to 100 times the original size.

Even though I feel I have not much right to speak at this moment, given all the work which I have NOT been involved in, I would still like to propose the addition of curved tiles, which is also discussed in the above mentioned post.

Also, on http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#214715 I proposed a scheme for adding shadows. Although much of the artwork is in sprite-form, would we be able to standardize the originating 3D models, we could use the above algorithm to retrieve shadow-maps to be placed on the surrounding tiles.

Finishing this post I would like to express my hopes that the changes Sergei has made will soon be made available to all the OTTD enthousiasts. I understand however, all the problems that might be related to doing this (especially concerning the size of the sprites).

NikiB · Post by **NikiB** » 23 Mar 2007 20:40

Umm... many 32bit 2d games dont have 600mb.. how can this be further compressed?
If 32 bit will replace 8bit, youd need massive server capacities then...

Or BitTorrent

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 23 Mar 2007 20:58

mauddib wrote: Finishing this post I would like to express my hopes that the changes Sergei has made will soon be made available to all the OTTD enthousiasts. I understand however, all the problems that might be related to doing this (especially concerning the size of the sprites).

I welcome you!

Thanks for your good words and also wanted to say, that yours the first graphic jobs very remarkable!

Whether was saved what нибудь from that time?

Sergej

mauddib · Post by **mauddib** » 23 Mar 2007 21:15

Sergej_S wrote: Thanks for your good words and also wanted to say, that yours the first graphic jobs very remarkable!

Whether was saved what нибудь from that time?
Sergej

Thank you! I'm afraid I cannot translate the last line you wrote, could you phrase it differently (or maybe write it in German)?

Sergej_S · Post by **Sergej_S** » 24 Mar 2007 21:28

mauddib wrote: Thank you! I'm afraid I cannot translate the last line you wrote, could you phrase it differently (or maybe write it in German)?

German language I learned(taught) very much for a long time, at school. In our city practically all schools were with German language.
Now I know English better, than German.
I wanted to learn(find out), whether there were files PNG, size 256*256 points, 32-bit of colour,
From your jobs, that it was possible to use them in a graphic set?

Sergej

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32-bit Experimental Graphics for OpenTTD 32bpp

The first Soviet trolley bus LK-1 1933 of release.

New automobile set of structures for the version OpenTTD 32

I show variant of the small airport for a moderate climate.

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