George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

Dr_Faustos · Post by **Dr_Faustos** » 26 Jan 2006 11:06

George wrote:
Dr_Faustos wrote:and it's written, that they are reffitable to all, but passengers and mail. How is that?
should be passengers and tourists. Let me know if it is MAIL.
Because of prop 1D and 1E

To be more exact, this problem occures only for the first tram in german set, the TW21, it's written, that this one is "refittable to: All but passengers, mail, tourists". Indeed, it is refittable to everything except passengers, mail and tourists.

George wrote:
Dr_Faustos wrote:Though, they support new cargo, introduced in ECS.
Are they? As far as I remember there was no new version of DB set or US set last days. They may support them on classes level, but then they'd have wrong graphis.

I mean, that thouse cars with original graphics support ECS, not DB and US sets.

Dr_Faustos · Post by **Dr_Faustos** » 26 Jan 2006 11:13

George wrote:
Dr_Faustos wrote:all trams from that set are to expensive(by 10 times, than without lv4),
8 times

Anyway, that's to much. I wonder, why is that so? Will there be normal cost of trams, if IDs in german set were correct?

I guess, that's all of my problems until now.

Dr_Faustos · Post by **Dr_Faustos** » 26 Jan 2006 11:18

So, I guess, that the only tram set that is compatible with lv4 for now is serbian one?

George · Post by **George** » 26 Jan 2006 12:57

Dr_Faustos wrote:So, I guess, that the only tram set that is compatible with lv4 for now is serbian one?

Yes.

Dr_Faustos wrote:
George wrote:
Dr_Faustos wrote:all trams from that set are to expensive(by 10 times, than without lv4),
8 times
Anyway, that's to much. I wonder, why is that so?

It's because the cost and running cost bases are multiplied by 8. Other sets have to take it into account when runningh with LV set.

Dr_Faustos wrote:Will there be normal cost of trams, if IDs in german set were correct?

No. the cost base is changed for all RVs in game.

MJS · Post by **MJS** » 26 Jan 2006 22:11

Is there a technical reason for that? Does it save sprite space somehow?

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 26 Jan 2006 22:29

Probably, but to what does "that" refer?

CPCNMAN007 · Post by **CPCNMAN007** » 26 Jan 2006 23:25

Here is 2 picture of bus.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 27 Jan 2006 02:22

The Phileas. I think that bus is already in George's TODO list.

George · Post by **George** » 27 Jan 2006 04:48

MJS wrote:Is there a technical reason for that? Does it save sprite space somehow?

For what?

Snail wrote:The Phileas. I think that bus is already in George's TODO list.

Yes.

MJS · Post by **MJS** » 27 Jan 2006 09:16

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant to ask whether there is a specific reason for multiplying all prices by 8.

George · Post by **George** » 27 Jan 2006 11:11

MJS wrote:Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant to ask whether there is a specific reason for multiplying all prices by 8.

yes. Max cost was 10455 pounds, that is not enough much for some very good buses. So, the multiplier is used.
I also think the same should be done for other vehicles in the game. Wagons are too cheap.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 28 Jan 2006 02:30

Even in the US set?

George · Post by **George** » 28 Jan 2006 07:30

krtaylor wrote:Even in the US set?

what multiplier is used for wagons in USset?

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 28 Jan 2006 19:44

For wagons? Not sure. I meant, do you think the wagons in the US set are too cheap?

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 28 Jan 2006 21:41

1000 pounds?
I think you're going to have to back that up with some sort of evidence.

Seeing as how the wiki very helpfully records that the uninflated base cost for wagons is 2000 pounds.

George · Post by **George** » 29 Jan 2006 00:12

krtaylor wrote:For wagons? Not sure. I meant, do you think the wagons in the US set are too cheap?

If no multiplier is used, than yes, beacuse the max cost is only about 1000 pounds

George · Post by **George** » 29 Jan 2006 00:18

DaleStan wrote:1000 pounds?
I think you're going to have to back that up with some sort of evidence.
Seeing as how the wiki very helpfully records that the uninflated base cost for wagons is 2000 pounds.

impossible. Default valuables van cost is 1,494 £, that is the most expencive wagon. The cost base (step) is about 6 pounds, that means the max cost 6x255 about 1500 pounds. It was impossible to set the wagon cost to 6000 without multiplier

Post by **PikkaBird** » 29 Jan 2006 00:32

George wrote:that means the max cost 6x255 about 1500 pounds.

Just for the record, the maximum wagon cost in 1920 pounds is about £2000 (slightly under with construction costs on medium, slightly over with construction costs on high). I actually tested this.

George · Post by **George** » 29 Jan 2006 09:14

PikkaBird wrote:
George wrote:that means the max cost 6x255 about 1500 pounds.
Just for the record, the maximum wagon cost in 1920 pounds is about £2000 (slightly under with construction costs on medium, slightly over with construction costs on high). I actually tested this.

that is 1494 on low costs level. Just what I said

MJS · Post by **MJS** » 29 Jan 2006 11:18

And this can't be incorporated into the main Patch - in such a way that it multiplies the values for some, but not for those grfs which do not use this division by eight? It poses quite an obstacle to using different sets together, and I like your vehicles much, much better than the original vehicles - it's just that there's more vehiclesets around that are well worth trying out...

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