US Set available [Trains v0.87.4d released 27 April 2008]

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 27 Jul 2004 18:06

Actually you would use the E60C, which was designed for freight. The E60CP was a variant of it designed for passengers, which didn't work so well, but the E60C was extremely successful at heavy-freight haulage. The E33 and E44 weren't so bad either. The ALP-46 could do freight, maybe, but its TE is a little weak.

uzurpator · Post by **uzurpator** » 27 Jul 2004 18:06

krtaylor:

red edk256 to see what I meant when I said that in arctic electrics should start at e60 and in tropic there should be no electrics at all ?

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 27 Jul 2004 18:09

I still don't agree, I like the agreement Oracle has made.

Thrakki · Post by **Thrakki** » 27 Jul 2004 21:14

I generally play my games very slowly...just now getting to 1950, and have started "testing" GP9s. Is it me, or is the cab running backwards?

I know it has been addressed in the US Set Thread, but it's worth mentioning again: diesels really, really need to be cheaper to maintain. A single diesel engine much of the time can't compare to the power of regular steam, and diesels (at least to start, that I can see) cost pretty damn close to some steamers, for far less power. The only way to run them at the power of steam is to double-head them, and when you do that, the cost is flat out ridiculous; I've even found myself replacing diesels WITH steam in some cases because their profits have been reduced due to the cost of maintaining them.

edk256 · Post by **edk256** » 27 Jul 2004 21:29

krtaylor wrote:Actually you would use the E60C, which was designed for freight. The E60CP was a variant of it designed for passengers, which didn't work so well, but the E60C was extremely successful at heavy-freight haulage. The E33 and E44 weren't so bad either. The ALP-46 could do freight, maybe, but its TE is a little weak.

if I used the E60C, my E8's, GG1's and E60CP passenger trains would be behind a long coal train. BTW, currently it is the latter part of 1974 in my test game, which I began in 1940 when the set was released. STill on alpha 29, USSet v.0.80...

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 27 Jul 2004 21:29

Thrakki wrote:I generally play my games very slowly...just now getting to 1950, and have started "testing" GP9s. Is it me, or is the cab running backwards?

Actually, like most diesels, they work both ways.

Thrakki wrote:I know it has been addressed in the US Set Thread, but it's worth mentioning again: diesels really, really need to be cheaper to maintain.

Yes, I am aware of this problem. uzurpator has made up a new cost-basis for them, but Oracle is traveling and not able to mak the changes. I imagine the next version will have completely dfferent cost bases.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 27 Jul 2004 21:31

edk256 wrote: if I used the E60C, my E8's, GG1's and E60CP passenger trains would be behind a long coal train.

That's a known problem with American railroads. There aren't many places where the traffic justifies multiple trackage.

edk256 wrote: BTW, currently it is the latter part of 1974 in my test game, which I began in 1940 when the set was released. STill on alpha 29, USSet v.0.80...

I recommend that you move to the most recent USset version. You might also consider going to a31. a30 was pretty buggy, but a31 is decent.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 27 Jul 2004 22:17

I found another bug, and I think it's a Patch bug.

I upgraded an old TTD install on another computer and got all the latest goodies. I had all the various graphics sets, but I put the US set last. The DBXL set was present, and not commented out, but before the US set; the old DBset was also present (for savegame compatibility) but was commented out with the ! flag.

TTD ran OK but wouldn't load the US set, it complained sprite 32 was bad.

I went back and commented out the DBXL set. Then the US set started working properly.

So either the US set is not properly disabling the DBXL set, or there is a Patch bug of some kind.

Thrakki · Post by **Thrakki** » 28 Jul 2004 04:39

krtaylor wrote: Actually, like most diesels, they work both ways.

True, but most of the time diesels at the head of the train will be facing forwards. The only reason I am pointing this out is the GP-9 is the only engine I know of in this set that runs backwards by default (outside of the forward cab steamer, but that doesn't count, since it "technically" is not running backwards).

norfolksouthern37 · Post by **norfolksouthern37** » 28 Jul 2004 04:46

yea, NS sd40-2 as well, since they were made that way.

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 28 Jul 2004 09:46

Thrakki wrote:
krtaylor wrote: Actually, like most diesels, they work both ways.
True, but most of the time diesels at the head of the train will be facing forwards. The only reason I am pointing this out is the GP-9 is the only engine I know of in this set that runs backwards by default (outside of the forward cab steamer, but that doesn't count, since it "technically" is not running backwards).

Well, here's the reason for this,. Most early road switchers (like the GP9) were designed to run "Long-hood forward". Some roads had 'em set up this way, some didn't. The reason some preferred it over others was it offered more protection for the engineer in the event of collisions. It's for that same reason that both Southern and Norfolk & Western *and later MS) purchased all of their diesels (until the SD50) high-nosed and usually running Long hood forward. I just thought it would be a cool way o differentiate the GP9 from all the other road switchers in the set

Thrakki · Post by **Thrakki** » 28 Jul 2004 15:25

Ah, well that makes more sense then.

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 29 Jul 2004 16:21

The steel coil car has a white line under it in horizontal view, and the sprite seems too high (like the sprite was moved upwards in the grf leaving the white line).

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 29 Jul 2004 16:59

But the rest of the angles are OK?

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 29 Jul 2004 17:16

I just checked, and all views have the same problem.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 29 Jul 2004 17:31

Are you sure you have the most recent version? The previous version had this problem, but the most recent one fixed it.

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 29 Jul 2004 17:42

I got this from the first post some hours ago. I thought the first post contained the latest version? According to the game this is version 0.82 from 19 July 2004

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 29 Jul 2004 17:51

I think Oracle forgot to update that posting. I think he should just remove it entirely, actually. The most current version, as well as a growing array of other useful and interesting things pertinent to the US set, may be obtained from its release site:

http://www.as-st.com/ttd/newusa/

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 29 Jul 2004 17:58

Raichase · Post by **Raichase** » 30 Jul 2004 08:46

I (think I) found another problem with the set, (one suffered by the DB Set at one point too, so I thought I would ask about it here...)

When the E8 changes from it's bright yellow livery to the darker yellow and red livery, it also changes all the existing trains in service - I understand this to be not right, as in reality, train sets were all not re-painted in a single day...

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Still, I love seeing the E8 in it's new livery, very sharp!

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