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teccuk wrote:This just in via 'passenger transport' the magazine for people who like graphs and bar charts about buses ....

Anyway. First are to drop their national brand in favour of specific west coast brand developed for the route. So no barbie pendolinos.
They are pretty much in the dark ages. I thought loads of people knew about this? :P
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teccuk wrote:This just in via 'passenger transport' the magazine for people who like graphs and bar charts about buses ....

Anyway. First are to drop their national brand in favour of specific west coast brand developed for the route. So no barbie pendolinos.
It would be interesting to know how valuable that brand actually is. Not enough, apparently.

Meanwhile can they find a proper business person to be supportive of Virgin and not someone known for The Apprentice? I doubt it.
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They should call Bill Clinton. Once he hears the words "Lend your support" and "Virgin" in the same sentence he'll be on the first flight over :P
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Kevo00 wrote:
teccuk wrote:This just in via 'passenger transport' the magazine for people who like graphs and bar charts about buses ....

Anyway. First are to drop their national brand in favour of specific west coast brand developed for the route. So no barbie pendolinos.
It would be interesting to know how valuable that brand actually is. Not enough, apparently.
Like most utilities and transport, the brand is only important to the marketing department ... First, like British gas and Barclays bank is increasingly toxic.

Geoghost, I don't know how you guys do it... :P
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teccuk wrote:Geoghost Geo Ghost, I don't know how you guys do it... :P
Do what? Travel with First?
They are not as bad as people make out. I do have issues with them at times, but they are by no means the worst company to exist. However, like all companies, they are not perfect either :P No one is.
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And they say Hitchin wrong. Sounds more like Pitchin.

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thphwh wrote:And they say Hitchin wrong. Sounds more like Pitchin.
They do? Always sounded fine to me :?
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If you listen carefully, well anyway that's what I thought... Maybe I need to get a hearing test.:lol:

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Geo Ghost wrote:
teccuk wrote:Geoghost Geo Ghost, I don't know how you guys do it... :P
Do what? Travel with First?
They are not as bad as people make out. I do have issues with them at times, but they are by no means the worst company to exist. However, like all companies, they are not perfect either :P No one is.
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In other governmental news, Gideon Oliver Osborne was booed whilst he was presenting medals at the Paralympics.

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Class 165 wrote:In other governmental news, Gideon Oliver Osborne was booed whilst he was presenting medals at the Paralympics.
Haha, I love how the other guys gets a round of applause!
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hahaha, that video is priceless.
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Well, Miss Greening has been replaced by Mr McLoughlin. I wonder if that will change anything...

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Yay, another U-turn, our government is so professional.

Edit: Here is the BBC link
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Glad to know. I assume DfT will re-run the competition, will FirstGroup be included? I also hope the government will refund any costs incurred to the TOCs in the cocked up bid.
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I'm glad that happened. Not that I love Virgin Trains or anything, but it just seems the way First won the bid was dodgy. As in "take a certain government minster or two to dinner, buy a new BMW here and there, and generally bribe the crap out of anyone important in the decision making" dodgy.
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WCML franchise to be retendered

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BBC Breakfast have said that the WCML franchise Os to be re tendered after the government "got their figures wrong".

It is still unsure whether if First will be allowed to bid this time round.

Discuss.

EDIT:
www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20121003a

Also found out this affects the bidding for the Great Western, Thameslink and Essex franchises........
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Re: Virgin to lose West Coast?

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So 40 million to make a decision, and presumably another 50million to make the decision again with more scrutiny?

We're lining somebody's pockets, here. How hard can it be to go "okay, who's gonna give us some money and run some trains? Okay, you've said you'll increase capacity most and with a decent subsidy, you do it"?

I'm pretty sure a few sensible chaps could make the decision in a week, and for a damn sight less than 40 million.
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Whilst in the long run this decision has probably saved money and a load of scandal, it is ridiculous that it was even allowed to get to this stage.
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