George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

[George]

Who can fid the length for articulated Ikarus 620 with single rear wheels? A version with 2 rear wheels is 16400mm.
Who knows, were there doubledecker 620?

The length of the single rear wheel articulated 620 is 15450mm, and the type is IC-620.The first bus was placed to traffic in 1962 June 1, and removed in 1968

Thank you for info
That are the types or all the other Ikarus 620 models? Articulated version with 2 rear wheels? Doubledecker?

[Szappy]

Articulated version with 2 rear wheels: IC-622
Introduced 1961.03.31. scrapped in 1968.
The ordinary 620 doesn't have any special name.
I don't think there exists a doubledecker 620.

[George]

Articulated version with 2 rear wheels: IC-622
Introduced 1961.03.31. scrapped in 1968.

And what were the years for IC-620?

I don't think there exists a doubledecker 620.

This?

[Szappy]

Articulated version with 2 rear wheels: IC-622
Introduced 1961.03.31. scrapped in 1968.

And what were the years for IC-620?

... and the type is IC-620.The first bus was placed to traffic in 1962 June 1, and removed in 1968

I don't think there exists a doubledecker 620.

This?

This actually seems fake to me. The second floor looks too low, and the windows seem the same as the first floor.
I might be mistaken tho... Where did you get this picture?

[George]

This?

This actually seems fake to me. The second floor looks too low, and the windows seem the same as the first floor.I might be mistaken tho... Where did you get this picture?

at http://autobusz.budapest.hu But it does not work now.

[Snail]

Hi George,

could you please add a small note in your site? I realized how much a guy helped me find the drawings you needed for the buses I suggested to you, and I'd like to give him some credit.
On your Long Buses page, right below the "The Setra description text ...", can you add a line saying "Fiat and Inbus models made possible by Giovanni Kaiblinger's valuable help"?

Thank you!

[George]

could you please add a small note in your site? I realized how much a guy helped me find the drawings you needed for the buses I suggested to you, and I'd like to give him some credit.
On your Long Buses page, right below the "The Setra description text ...", can you add a line saying "Fiat and Inbus models made possible by Giovanni Kaiblinger's valuable help"?

I have a special thanks page http://ttd.cernun.net/thanks.html. Credits should be there, I think

[Snail]

Oh I see. I was unaware of that page

Thank you so much! Could you just add Giovanni Kaiblinger to the list of the info and pics searchers? He helped me quite a lot and I'd like us to give him credit, too.

BTW I might find the drawings for the Fiat 421 doubledecker version, would you be interested in adding it if I give them to you?

[George]

Oh I see. I was unaware of that page
Thank you so much! Could you just add Giovanni Kaiblinger to the list of the info and pics searchers? He helped me quite a lot and I'd like us to give him credit, too.

Ok

BTW I might find the drawings for the Fiat 421 doubledecker version, would you be interested in adding it if I give them to you?

I think yes.

[George]

I've finished Ikarus 620 and I'm looking for capacity of articulated versions, open (no roof) version and doulbledecker version (if it was ever made)

[George]

graphics is ready, but I need capacities and info for modifications

[Snail]

Hey George!

As promised, here you get the drawings of the two-axle 410 and the doubledecker 421. The drawing of the 410 refers to the BCF bodywork, but you can use it for any of them, as the chassis was the same, and the windows/doors displacement can be seen in the pictures. I also included a pic of the latter (it was very similar to the 421A BCF) and some pics of the most common 410's bodyworks and paintjobs. Of course, we don't have to include them all, you can choose the ones you prefer to include in your set. As you can see, there would be many ways to differentiate the variants, ranging from the colors, the doors and window displacement, and maybe the front, too.
I also found an original pic of the cream-red Viberti Monotral CV23 (variant of the Fiat 411). You might want to have a look at that, since you just drew the model.

I'm glad to see you included the 418 in your todo list, too, even if with a low priority (better like this than nothing). I can supply you with pics of that model, too, as I'm doing with the 410, as soon as you plan to start working on that (no rush, I perfectly agree that there are many models other than Fiats you have to draw). To differentiate it from the others, we might also introduce the suburban variants of the 418, with one door less. Anyway, when it's time we'll talk about it.

What I think we need more at this time, though, are pre-war Western european models (we still have none). I'll do a search and see if I can provide you with any drawings.

[George]

gl2, snail:
What about ikaruses 620 series characteristics? I can't make them public because I have no data! Help!

[Snail]

Well have you checked here? There's some info about Ikarus buses, although I don't recall seeing the articulated 620 there...

[George]

Well have you checked here? There's some info about Ikarus buses, although I don't recall seeing the articulated 620 there...

I do not see info for articulated version. But I need it

[goalie]

hi george since michael release his new industries
your trucks can carry his new products but only 0 tons of them
could you fix this

[George]

hi george since michael release his new industries your trucks can carry his new products but only 0 tons of them could you fix this

Yes, I can do it. But I'm waiting until someone will find me required info about ikaruses 620 (I mean for IC 620, IC 622)

[goalie]

hi geroge i found this but i dont know wich language it is


2. Ikarus 620 1960-70.-ndatest

Ikarus 620, pikkus 9348 mm, shassii “Csepel”, mootori võimsus 106 kW. Bussis oli 20 iste- ja 40 seisukohta, tipptundidel võttis buss peale kuni 100 inimest. TAK-is olid bussid kasutusel 50-ndatest kuni 70-ndate aastate alguseni.


and this on a chezk homepage

Technické parametry Ikarus 620/630

Parametr Hodnota
Délka vozidla 9 348 mm
Šířka vozidla 2 500 mm
Výška vozidla 2 835 mm
Hmotnost 8 300 kg
Motor Csepel D 614
Výkon 145 k
Maximální rychlost 60 km/hod
Počet míst k sezení 24
Počet míst k stání 37
Celkový počet míst 61

[George]

hi geroge i found this but i dont know wich language it is

I guess hungarian, but looks like the info about IK620 (single bus), while I need the info about IK IC620 and IK IC622, which were articulated

[Snail]

Hi George,

I found this link, it contains some pictures of models and a drawing of an articulated Ikarus. There's some text too, but I can't read it (I think it's Hungarian), it could give some info about the models you're looking for.
Anyway, since the info seems very hard to find, can't you just make up some reasonable values and release them? You might change them later, when (if) you can collect that piece of information... otherwise your work would stop!

Also: I think I found a truck model which can fill the gap between the Opel and the Navistar
It's the Lancia Esatau 864. The model's design started in 1940, but the first units weren't produced until 1947 because of the war. I think this would be an excellent choice for your 1945 slot. It was a somewhat large truck, built in three variants (a two-axle one, a three-axle one and a semi); it featured an engine of 122 HP and was produced until 1957.
I found some technical drawings and pictures of it, carrying various types of goods. As you can see, trailer versions were quite popular; it was actually a heavy truck and could be very helpful in the game, carrying more stuff than the Opel Blitz as the industries grow.
In the zips, you'll find the technical drawings for the 2-axle and the tractor version (the 3-axle can be made up from the 2-axle); also, there is apage written in English with the main specs and dimensions (it uses Imperial measures). If you need any additional info, don't hesitate to ask.

If you decide to draw this, a good idea would be to slip the Steyr to the 1949 slot, modeling the 380 diesel version, for which you already have the pics (it would be a smaller and cheaper alternative).