ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011

[George]

Using Total Town Replacement Set 3.11. I thought that set was designed for ECS!?

for ECS beta 1 or something like that
Currently we discuss with planetmaker the changes in TTRS3 to be up to date. Remember, TTRS3 is rather old set. Changes since 3.02 are still cosmetic.

[Hyronymus]

I'm done with the Dutch translations.

And I'm not sure but I think something is going wrong with translated strings on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... ECSVTBasic . There are blocks of 4 lines that suddenly have 0B instead of 0A.

Also lines 543, 667 and 685 on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... VTChemical seem to be wrong:

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  543 * 12	 04 0B FF 01 BC DC "Þ\0ECH" 00
  667 * 25	 04 0A B0 01 85 DC "ÞKopalnia potażu" 00
  685 * 27	 04 0A B0 01 A5 DC "ÞZakłady chemiczne" 00

- FF must be 95
- 85 must be F0
- A5 must be F1

Same for lines on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... TMachinery :

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  474 * 41	 04 0A B0 01 C5 DC "ÞFabryka Sprzętu Komunikacyjnego" 00
  492 * 18	 04 0A 95 01 F0 D0 "ÞLoděnice" 00
  494 * 17	 04 0A B0 01 C6 DC "ÞStocznia" 00

- C5 DC must be F0 D0
- F0 D0 must be F1 D0
- C6 DC must be F1 D0

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... nstruction :

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  494 * 20	 04 0A B0 01 F0 D0 "ÞZakłady wapienne" 00
  511 * 21	 04 0A Bo 01 F1 D0 "ÞCementownia" 00
  528 * 20	 04 0A B0 01 F2 D0 "ÞCegielnia" 00
  547 * 30	 04 0A B0 01 F3 D0 "ÞFirma budowlana" 00
  565 * 36	 04 0A B0 01 F4 D0 "ÞDuża firma budowlana" 00

- F0 D0 must be F5 DC
- F1 D0 must be E5 DC
- F2 D0 must be D5 DC
- F3 D0 must be D6 DC
- F4 D0 must be D7 DC

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... =ECSVTWood :

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  439 * 13	 04 0B FF 01 9C DC "Þ\0EŘE" 00
  462 * 22	 04 0A B0 01 5F DC "ÞFabryka mebli" 00

- FF must be 95
- 5F DC must be F0 D0

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... gricutural :

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  776 * 15	 04 0A 95 01 F0 D0 "ÞStatek" 00
  778 * 31	 04 0A B0 01 25 DC "ÞGospodarstwo hodowlane" 00
  801 * 25	 04 0A B0 01 66 DC "ÞZakłady mięsne" 00
  822 * 15	 04 0A B0 01 65 DC "ÞBrowar" 00
  845 * 28	 04 0A B0 01 7D DC "ÞZakłady odzieżowe" 00

- F0 D0 must be F1 D0
- 25 DC must be F1 D0
- 66 DC must be F2 D0
- 65 DC must be F3 D0
- 7D DC must be F4 D0
There is also a mistake on the fishing grounds I believe, see line 965. It asks for a translation of "Team", I think that should be a translation of "Prod".

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... CSVTHouses :

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   76 * 24	 04 07 B0 01 F2 DC "ÞHotel \"Victoia\"" 00

- F2 DC must be F3 DC
And I've been disobedient by naming a few statues to Dutch examples like a statue of Thorbecke (a great politician from the 1800's). If you don't like this "localisation" I'll undo them.

About the reported mistakes by other translators: I'm not sure if it's really wrong because I can't tell if it's really the same language. Also, some rather seem to cut & paste instead of copy & paste from a block above.

[George]

I'm done with the Dutch translations.
And I'm not sure but I think something is going wrong with translated strings on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... ECSVTBasic . There are blocks of 4 lines that suddenly have 0B instead of 0A.

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0A for industries (see defaults)
0B for cargos (see defaults)

So it should be 0A there. You can fix that together with Dutch translation

Also lines 543, 667 and 685 on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... VTChemical seem to be wrong:

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  543 * 12	 04 0B FF 01 BC DC "Þ\0ECH" 00
  667 * 25	 04 0A B0 01 85 DC "ÞKopalnia potażu" 00
  685 * 27	 04 0A B0 01 A5 DC "ÞZakłady chemiczne" 00

- FF must be 95
- 85 must be F0
- A5 must be F1

Correct, you can fix that too

Same for lines on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... TMachinery :

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  474 * 41	 04 0A B0 01 C5 DC "ÞFabryka Sprzętu Komunikacyjnego" 00
  492 * 18	 04 0A 95 01 F0 D0 "ÞLoděnice" 00
  494 * 17	 04 0A B0 01 C6 DC "ÞStocznia" 00

- C5 DC must be F0 D0
- F0 D0 must be F1 D0
- C6 DC must be F1 D0

Yes

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... nstruction :

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  494 * 20	 04 0A B0 01 F0 D0 "ÞZakłady wapienne" 00
  511 * 21	 04 0A Bo 01 F1 D0 "ÞCementownia" 00
  528 * 20	 04 0A B0 01 F2 D0 "ÞCegielnia" 00
  547 * 30	 04 0A B0 01 F3 D0 "ÞFirma budowlana" 00
  565 * 36	 04 0A B0 01 F4 D0 "ÞDuża firma budowlana" 00

- F0 D0 must be F5 DC
- F1 D0 must be E5 DC
- F2 D0 must be D5 DC
- F3 D0 must be D6 DC
- F4 D0 must be D7 DC

Yes

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... =ECSVTWood :

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  439 * 13	 04 0B FF 01 9C DC "Þ\0EŘE" 00
  462 * 22	 04 0A B0 01 5F DC "ÞFabryka mebli" 00

- FF must be 95
- 5F DC must be F0 D0

Yes

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... gricutural :

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  776 * 15	 04 0A 95 01 F0 D0 "ÞStatek" 00
  778 * 31	 04 0A B0 01 25 DC "ÞGospodarstwo hodowlane" 00
  801 * 25	 04 0A B0 01 66 DC "ÞZakłady mięsne" 00
  822 * 15	 04 0A B0 01 65 DC "ÞBrowar" 00
  845 * 28	 04 0A B0 01 7D DC "ÞZakłady odzieżowe" 00

- F0 D0 must be F1 D0
- 25 DC must be F1 D0
- 66 DC must be F2 D0
- 65 DC must be F3 D0
- 7D DC must be F4 D0

Yes

There is also a mistake on the fishing grounds I believe, see line 965. It asks for a translation of "Team", I think that should be a translation of "Prod".

The word team there is the group of people who currently work there. The word crew does not fit well, because the crew is the group, who operate the ship (sailors), and there are people who operate fish shop. How to call them? I called them TEAM, but I can be wrong.

And on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-editpage. ... CSVTHouses :

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   76 * 24	 04 07 B0 01 F2 DC "ÞHotel \"Victoia\"" 00

- F2 DC must be F3 DC

Yes

And I've been disobedient by naming a few statues to Dutch examples like a statue of Thorbecke (a great politician from the 1800's). If you don't like this "localisation" I'll undo them.

I'm STRONGLY against renaming the statues of V.I. Lenin and Bronze horseman, and I do not like the idea of renaming in general, even for hotels. IMHO, Translating George to Dutch definitely should not be Peter or John. I hope you understand the point.

About the reported mistakes by other translators: I'm not sure if it's really wrong because I can't tell if it's really the same language. Also, some rather seem to cut & paste instead of copy & paste from a block above.

I'm sure you are allowed to fix them, the same way as any other user. Wiki is done to allow all of us to work for the common wealth.

[Hyronymus]

OK, I'll have a look over the other lines but people of that language shouldn't blame me if it's (still) wrong.

And localisation: the Dutch don't have much up with Captain Cook, we had our own notable sailors and adventurers . But I'll undo it.

[Eddi]

The word team there is the group of people who currently work there. The word crew does not fit well, because the crew is the group, who operate the ship (sailors), and there are people who operate fish shop. How to call them? I called them crew, but I can be wrong.

how about "staff"?

[George]

The word team there is the group of people who currently work there. The word crew does not fit well, because the crew is the group, who operate the ship (sailors), and there are people who operate fish shop. How to call them? I called them crew, but I can be wrong.

how about "staff"?

I do not know. If you think it is a better word you can change the wiki

[planetmaker]

+1 for staff

[Hyronymus]

Maybe the translation I found is wrong but it seems the place where fish is sold after being brought ashore is called fish market in English (I searched from the Dutch word visafslag). Can't you call them marketman then is English?

[planetmaker]

IIRC that'd be fish monger, if it relates to selling fish (only)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishmonger

http://www.ireland-information.com/iris ... sels.shtml

[George]

Maybe the translation I found is wrong but it seems the place where fish is sold after being brought ashore is called fish market in English (I searched from the Dutch word visafslag). Can't you call them marketman then is English?

No, you have misunderstood.
Fishshop - a place on the ship where the caught fish is being cut, drawn (cleaned) and frozen

IIRC that'd be fish monger, if it relates to selling fish (only)

Wrong. They do not sell fish. They cut fish.

They process fish into fillets within hours of being caught. Onboard fishmeal plants process the waste product so everything is utilized.

This people operate (work in) the on-board fish processing plants.

[Hyronymus]

George, the Dutch translation is done.

For the fishing grounds I wetnt for "Personeel", Dutch for employees. I think it's a safe translation.

[michael blunck]

This people operate (work in) the on-board fish processing plants.

"Deckspersonal" (de) - "deck crew" (en)
"Verarbeitungspersonal" (de) - "processing crew" (en)

See:

For fish processing vessels of more than 1600 gross tons or entering into service after December 31, 1987, and having more than 16 individuals on board primarily employed in processing, the licensed individuals and deck crew “when at sea” must be divided into at least 2 watches; there are no watches established for the processing crew or engine room department.

http://www.mikkelborg.com/news.php?id=5150
(emph. mb)

regards
Michael

[George]

This people operate (work in) the on-board fish processing plants.

"Deckspersonal" (de) - "deck crew" (en)
"Verarbeitungspersonal" (de) - "processing crew" (en)

Is it the same for Oil rig?

Would it be better for gameplay to call them simply "crew" both for Oil rig and Fishing grounds?

[Hyronymus]

Or workmen / employees / worker. I think it doesn't hurt to keep it simple.

[michael blunck]

Is it the same for Oil rig?

IIRC, they´re called "(process) operators".

Would it be better for gameplay to call them simply "crew" both for Oil rig and Fishing grounds?

"Crew" would be OK, yes.

regards
Michael

[George]

1.1 is out

Main changes:
- Polish and Dutch translations.
- mines now have stronger requirements for growth.

Please check if it is enough or even more strict requirements are required

[Hyronymus]

1.1 is out

Savegame-compatible or will it break?

[George]

1.1 is out

Savegame-compatible or will it break?

Should be compatible

[JoopNL]

1.1 is out

Main changes:
- Polish and Dutch translations.
- mines now have stronger requirements for growth.

Please check if it is enough or even more strict requirements are required

Hi, i've been playing OpenTTD with ECS and other NewGRF's for a good part of the day. Never played with NewGRF's before, I'm quite impressed by all the possibilities.

I did run into a problem with ECS mine growth. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, in any case I can't figure it out. The problem I'm having is that I can't get the production levels of a couple off Coal mines above 12%. I've got a small network with 3 Coal Mine's and a Power Staion on it. Trains run in one direction (it's more or less a loop). There are three trains per Coal Mine. However, most of the time the trains are waiting at the mines to generate enough coal. In fact, there is almost constantly a traing sitting at each mine. No coal is "lost" or whatever. The Production Level however never increases above 12%.

At the WIKI (http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php ... BVCoalMine) I read that the production level should increase according to these rules: Transportation: 51% – 75% = Increase production level by 1, Transportation: >75% = Increase production level by 1 with 75% probability. So I would assume the production level should increase all the way up to 100%. (?) (Is the WIKI still up-to-date? It appears the most recent update was past december.)

I also noticed that the "percentage transported" pretty much constantly sits at 70 (never higher). According to the rules above this should be more the enough for the mine to grow, but it is strange that this number also isn't at 100%.

Any ideas?

[Yexo]

I also noticed that the "percentage transported" pretty much constantly sits at 70 (never higher). According to the rules above this should be more the enough for the mine to grow, but it is strange that this number also isn't at 100%.

"Percentage transported" depends on the station rating. How the station rating is calculated is described on the Game Mechanics page on the OpenTTD wiki.