ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011

[MrMox]

Is there possibility that ECS changes my snow height in arctic?

Second parameter of the town vector controls variable snow line.

Edit: I did express myself bit wrong! I did want do know is there possible to to raise the snow level so that if theres is winter not all map is covered with snow? Like 5 squares are always without snow!

With the canadian station set you have a number of options, like 7 in winter and 14 in summer. Don't know if there's a GRF in existence that allows you even more control (e.g. 5 in winter, 11 in summer).

[George]

Hey!
I have little question! Is there possibility that ECS changes my snow height in arctic?
After I activated it My snow level dropped down to 1 or zero (what's the first level, sea lvl?)
Edit: I did express myself bit wrong! I did want do know is there possible to to raise the snow level so that if theres is winter not all map is covered with snow? Like 5 squares are always without snow!

No. ECS Town vector only allows to enable/disable its' snow line management.

[George]

Hi George, is it possible we can have a decsription of your ECS grf files in the new in game content downloading tool. Thanks.

If you'll provide a text, I can put it in.

[zooks]

Do other people also have the serious big lags while playing with ecs in ottd? I play with all vectors and every now and then the game freezes for a while.

oh and please please make an option to turn of the location requirements. I build a enormous oil station for the refinery and then it gets closed down because a town has grown a bit nearby. That made me slam my keyboard

[Patgreg]

zooks

The more you ask ANY computer to do will increase the liklyhood of CPU overload (freezing).
The more "additions" you make to the basic TTD means more chances of freezing.
Perhaps you need to reduce the GRF load?

[George]

Do other people also have the serious big lags while playing with ecs in ottd? I play with all vectors and every now and then the game freezes for a while.

AFAIR ECS freezes the game only while map generation.

oh and please please make an option to turn of the location requirements. I build a enormous oil station for the refinery and then it gets closed down because a town has grown a bit nearby. That made me slam my keyboard

Location conditions are disabled in map editor. Open your save in the editor and place industries anyway you like.

[nulio]

Hi!

First I must admit that I didn't searched to whole thread, it's massive. I also would like to thank all the work on this. It's a great addition to the game.

I was about to start a new multiplayer game with a friend when we decided to try some ECS vectors.

I noticed some bugs.

In a .xls I summarized all the industries. I noticed some incongruence.

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Some vectors alter industries of other vectors.
Is the ECS construction beta 5 incomplete?

I would also suggest that industries shouldn't have repeated names, like the two different fishing grounds, banks, factories and food processing plants.

I'm using OTTD r15197 with the following grf:

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Regards

[George]

In a .xls I summarized all the industries. I noticed some incongruence.

1) Brewery should not produce fruit. Provide a savegame, please
2) Food processing plant will produce paper in temperate if you have paper.grf/alpine/other industry grf loaded. Provide a savegame please if you do not have other industry grfs
3) Brick factory should accept coal. It produces clay itself, no clay transportation needed.

Is the ECS construction beta 5 incomplete?

It depends what do you mean by that. Beta vectors are incomplete by definition (otherwise they would be a realize), but what did you mean?

I would also suggest that industries shouldn't have repeated names, like the two different fishing grounds, banks, factories and food processing plants.

They do not. As wiki says, if you have double bames - then you have some other industry grf loaded. ECS is not intended to be used with other industry grfs.

[michael blunck]

1) Brewery should not produce fruit. Provide a savegame, please

I would also suggest that industries shouldn't have repeated names, like the two different fishing grounds, banks, factories and food processing plants.

Apparently he´s using the NewCargo Set as well.

regards
Michael

[nulio]

In a .xls I summarized all the industries. I noticed some incongruence.

1) Brewery should not produce fruit. Provide a savegame, please
2) Food processing plant will produce paper in temperate if you have paper.grf/alpine/other industry grf loaded. Provide a savegame please if you do not have other industry grfs

I would also suggest that industries shouldn't have repeated names, like the two different fishing grounds, banks, factories and food processing plants.

They do not. As wiki says, if you have double bames - then you have some other industry grf loaded. ECS is not intended to be used with other industry grfs.

As michael blunck suggests, it could be the NewCargo Set. I'll test it and if doesn't resolve this I'll post a savegame. Thanks for the quick reply.

1) Brewery should not produce fruit. Provide a savegame, please

I would also suggest that industries shouldn't have repeated names, like the two different fishing grounds, banks, factories and food processing plants.

Apparently he´s using the NewCargo Set as well.

Thanks for the tip. It's my first time using non-vehicles grfs. I'll try removing that grf and see the outcome.

Is the ECS construction beta 5 incomplete?

It depends what do you mean by that. Beta vectors are incomplete by definition (otherwise they would be a realize), but what did you mean?

I meant incomplete as industries were still being planned to be added in the future. I just asked because that could justify why the Brick factory wouldn't accept/need clay, but you answered it with the next quote.

3) Brick factory should accept coal. It produces clay itself, no clay transportation needed.

Very clever. It didn't cross my mind. Very clever indeed.

[nulio]

The Repeated Industry Names, the Brewery producing fruit and the Food processing plant producing paper were all caused by the New Cargo grf.
Sorry for the false alarm. I really thought that only the Industry grfs would mess with ECS grfs and that New cargo wasn't in that group. The new cargo grf adds the repeated industries that have the "wrong" productions.

Anyway here's a savegame. (the same grf list and ottd version mentioned above)


Michael Blunck, in the afternoon I tested several combinations and in a particular one (that I can't recall and wasn't able to reproduce now), I noticed a Brewery producing Beer. Was it because the New Cargo grf?


Regards

[michael blunck]

The Repeated Industry Names, the Brewery producing fruit and the Food processing plant producing paper were all caused by the New Cargo grf. [...] I tested several combinations and in a particular one (that I can't recall and wasn't able to reproduce now), I noticed a Brewery producing Beer. Was it because the New Cargo grf?

NewCargo was the very first .grf providing TTDPatch´s newindustries and newcargoes features. It contained fishing grounds (producing fish), a brewery (producing beer from grain), and changed the factory (taking away grain and adding wood), as well as changing a couple of buildings to accept food and beer.

The ECS scheme had been developing since then, removing beer from its list of cargoes (it´s filed under food now).

Since you were using both NewCargo and George´s ECS vectors, both introducing/modifying the same industries, you got some of them doubled and/or producing the wrong cargoes.

regards
Michael

[RSpeed tycoonfreak]

I read the thing about the parameters at the wiki page,
It says that I have to add up the bits, so if I want to activate all the parameters it would be 1+2+4+8= 15 right?
But somehow it doesent work beacuse if I activated all parameters my glass works should accept cargo always.
but as shown in the screenshot it doesn't, so what am I doing wrong?

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btw: I've added the parameters to every ECS Vector not only to the town vector.

[MrMox]

You need to specify all the parameters, so for the town vector it should be "0 0 0 15", for the basic vector "0 15" and "15" for the rest.

[nulio]

The Repeated Industry Names, the Brewery producing fruit and the Food processing plant producing paper were all caused by the New Cargo grf. [...] I tested several combinations and in a particular one (that I can't recall and wasn't able to reproduce now), I noticed a Brewery producing Beer. Was it because the New Cargo grf?

NewCargo was the very first .grf providing TTDPatch´s newindustries and newcargoes features. It contained fishing grounds (producing fish), a brewery (producing beer from grain), and changed the factory (taking away grain and adding wood), as well as changing a couple of buildings to accept food and beer.

The ECS scheme had been developing since then, removing beer from its list of cargoes (it´s filed under food now).

Since you were using both NewCargo and George´s ECS vectors, both introducing/modifying the same industries, you got some of them doubled and/or producing the wrong cargoes.

regards
Michael

Thanks

I really thought that could be ECS vectors "messing" with each other because the industries that had the wrong productions appeared when adding extra ECS vectores. Noobness of mine, it was New Cargo all the time. I didn't relate it to industries, a bad interpretation of 'Cargo'.

[Chico008]

Hi

i tried the last ECS with total town replacement and canadian set
but i got a problem, i have no tourrists.
i tried putting a train set for tourrist in load near a tourrist center, but nothing loads :s

sets this way :
ECSTown 0 0 0 6
ECSBasic 0 6
Other ECS (wood, chemical, agricultur, machin, ...
TTRS3 1 0 0 1
other GRF (for vehicle)

[George]

i tried the last ECS with total town replacement and canadian set
but i got a problem, i have no tourrists.
i tried putting a train set for tourrist in load near a tourrist center, but nothing loads :s

You have to transport tourists from hotels to tourist centres.

[eshield]

Hi, George.

According to your cargo movement scheme there must be petrol stations, car shops, shops, hotels, tower (i.e. whole town vector) in towns but there is no such industries in all citities on the map.

I use OpenTTD r15566 with beta 5 vectors in this order:
1. Town
2. Agricult
3. Basic
4. Chemical
5. Construction
6. Wood

No other cargo sets are included, only this ones.

Where is the problem? -.-''

PS: Or i should use TTRS3.02a pack? I think its toooooooo outdated.

[Conditional Zenith]

From memory, those things come from TTRS. And why do you say TTRS is outdated?

[Chico008]

Hotels ?
i didn't see any hotels on my town :s
and it's pretty big (over 50k hab)