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[Proteus]

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[athanasios]

You have to unpack the rar file. Google can be your friend.

[snike0437]

Hi to all.

Please, help to find out, is it a problem, or this is the developer's idea
I using the roest's patch pack r13446 witn the latest ECS vectors and DBSetXL GRFs. The thing is, that if you start game sooner than 1952, there is no rail wagon or car, which can transfer the most demanded cargo - vehicles. The only rail wagon, which is able to do this, appears at 1952. Where is a mistake?..

UPD: Checked situation more carefully... Look like this is an issue of DB Set, there is no useful vehicles for "vehicles cargo" In the UKRS there is present a refitable wagons and road vehicles, which can be refitted to needed cargofrom the beginning.

[Rainer]

Hi snike0437.

The thing is, that if you start game sooner than 1952, there is no rail wagon or car, which can transfer the most demanded cargo - vehicles.

You are right. Michael promised it for 0.9 version.

cu
Rainer

[sportbotaniker]

perhaps my english is not that good as I thought. but how is "service" defined ?

eg
I have oil wells.

2 truck load stations with 4 trucks each, 1 iounderway, 1 always waiting , 2 being loaded.
1 train terminal with 2 trains

a short distance to refinery.

69% of oil is delivered
my stations are rated 70%.

every drop of oil pumped out of earth is delivered to the closely located refinery.

but the service level named at the oil well is constantly on 3% and after a while the oil wells close down.

...and this at all oil wells I have connected on the map.

...dont know how to improve on this and keep my oil wells running. the other companies I connected i made it to jump above 3% keeping them running. but the oil wells continue closing down.

[George]

69% of oil is delivered
my stations are rated 70%.

You need 71% for grow. I think I should decrease it to 69%

[sportbotaniker]

71... grmmbl.. I have no idea how to make it there. another cargo station ? more trains... ? umpf.

[Clovertown]

Somewhere around/after 2100, all the fruit plantations somehow expired and reduced to minimum production never to increase again even with constant 90+ ratings and full store of fertilizer (they didn't close though). Using the year cheat to set the time back made them work again.

[George]

Somewhere around/after 2100, all the fruit plantations somehow expired and reduced to minimum production never to increase again even with constant 90+ ratings and full store of fertilizer (they didn't close though). Using the year cheat to set the time back made them work again.

Send me 2 savegames please. One where whey have at least normal production level and one when they all changed to very low. Please have as small time interval between saves as possible, but not less than three months.

[Clovertown]

Send me 2 savegames please. One where whey have at least normal production level and one when they all changed to very low. Please have as small time interval between saves as possible, but not less than three months.

OK. I don't normally keep old saves of my games, but since I now know when it happens it was easy enough to start a new game in 2095 to make some. The first save is from 2098, there are 3 fruit plantations all at max production. In 2099 they started to drop, once every year until they were at 3% in 2103.

Also, I didn't notice it before but starting at 2099 the production happens in the winter not the summer.

[George]

Send me 2 savegames please. One where whey have at least normal production level and one when they all changed to very low. Please have as small time interval between saves as possible, but not less than three months.

OK. I don't normally keep old saves of my games, but since I now know when it happens it was easy enough to start a new game in 2095 to make some. The first save is from 2098, there are 3 fruit plantations all at max production. In 2099 they started to drop, once every year until they were at 3% in 2103.
Also, I didn't notice it before but starting at 2099 the production happens in the winter not the summer.

Oh, I see. Let's have a look

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 1075 * 54	 02 0A CA 81 1C 00 FF 0B 
 			     27 00 1E 1E 
 			     2F 00 1F 1F 
 			     33 00 20 20 
 			     39 00 21 21 
 			     3D 00 22 22 
 			     41 00 23 23 
 			     44 00 24 24 
 			     46 00 25 25 
 			     45 00 26 26 
 			     40 00 27 27 
 			     2F 00 28 28 
 			     01 00
 1076 * 44	 02 0A CB 89 00 20 FF FF 00 00 07 
 			     1A 20 B5 05 00 00 07 
 			     1A 20 6D 01 00 00 06 
 			     1A 00 07 00 00 00 
 			     01 
 			     CA 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 00

This code checks var 00

The following variables are always available:
Number Size Meaning
00 W current date (counted as days from 1920)

max value is 65536 that means the overflow happens in 1920+65536/365.25=1920+179=2099-th.

to solve this problem I need a var that holds week number (0-52), so I could not calculate it with this code

I have to make a request to developers.

[fjb]

Hi,

I'm having having some trouble with the oil rig from chemical vector 2. It never gets above the very low 3% level.

And another question: When using the town vector together with the north american city set (options 0 0 0) then the tourists cargo from the town vector gets used. But who generates tourists then? I can deliver tourists to tourist resorts or hotels, but nobody generates tourists.

[George]

And another question: When using the town vector together with the north american city set (options 0 0 0) then the tourists cargo from the town vector gets used. But who generates tourists then? I can deliver tourists to tourist resorts or hotels, but nobody generates tourists.

Hotels provide tourists

[Rainer]

Hi George,

I have some comments / possible bugs:

1) I'm playing OpenTTD r13860 with all ECS Vectors and no changes. At any time you can do the following:

Build a steel mill. Build a station next to it. The station does not accept Iron ore or coal even after waiting one year or longer.

2) The following I noticed in a game with TIBs patchpack, so I'm not sure that I can reproduce it without patches:

A Chemical plant producing only dye for some years can not be enabled to produce fertilizer even if two trains are waiting constantly for years.
The same applies to Refineries (not switching from refinery products to petrol).

3) I have not yet managed to get Coal mines producing a rather constant output. They go from 12 tons to 1600 or 2400 tons per month within two or three years and if I do not provide a constantly increasing amount of trains to keep them at over 70% the production then breaks together to about 100 tons within one or two months.

cu
Rainer

[George]

1) I'm playing OpenTTD r13860 with all ECS Vectors and no changes. At any time you can do the following:
Build a steel mill. Build a station next to it. The station does not accept Iron ore or coal even after waiting one year or longer.

I can't reproduce it. Does it happen with clean trunk?

2) The following I noticed in a game with TIBs patchpack, so I'm not sure that I can reproduce it without patches:
A Chemical plant producing only dye for some years can not be enabled to produce fertilizer even if two trains are waiting constantly for years.
The same applies to Refineries (not switching from refinery products to petrol).

It is a feature. Transport 0% cargo this month and next month it will produce both the cargoes

3) I have not yet managed to get Coal mines producing a rather constant output. They go from 12 tons to 1600 or 2400 tons per month within two or three years and if I do not provide a constantly increasing amount of trains to keep them at over 70% the production then breaks together to about 100 tons within one or two months.

In 5 months. That is intended. I plan to review these values.

[Rainer]

Hi George,

1) I'm playing OpenTTD r13860 with all ECS Vectors and no changes. At any time you can do the following:
Build a steel mill. Build a station next to it. The station does not accept Iron ore or coal even after waiting one year or longer.

I can't reproduce it. Does it happen with clean trunk?

Yes. Original Nightly, not a single patch. I'll send you a save game when I'll be home again in the afternoon. But all you have to do is build the steel mill and then directly begin to build the station. You won't see the goods in the 'accepts' part of the build dialog and the built station never accepts iron ore nor coal.

Edit: Sorry, I was wrong. The acceptance starts 3 months after building the steel mill.

2) The following I noticed in a game with TIBs patchpack, so I'm not sure that I can reproduce it without patches:
A Chemical plant producing only dye for some years can not be enabled to produce fertilizer even if two trains are waiting constantly for years.
The same applies to Refineries (not switching from refinery products to petrol).

It is a feature. Transport 0% cargo this month and next month it will produce both the cargoes

I transported no cargo for several consecutive months (percentage down to 13%). Do you mean I have to wait until the percentage of the station drops to 0?

3) I have not yet managed to get Coal mines producing a rather constant output. They go from 12 tons to 1600 or 2400 tons per month within two or three years and if I do not provide a constantly increasing amount of trains to keep them at over 70% the production then breaks together to about 100 tons within one or two months.

In 5 months. That is intended. I plan to review these values.

What I'd like to have is to assign as many trains as I need to transport enough cargo to fill a steel mill / glass works. So there should be a larger percentage area where a production change is unlikely to happen.

I reread the wiki about coal mines and noticed that there is no such area.

For values 60% - 75% and 75% - 85% a smooth production change is applied which means production levels change by -1 and +1 respectively

A "smooth" production change means going from "Very low" to "Ultimate" and back within 6 Months. Right? so that is much more than a "normal" 12.5% probability production change on over 85%.

What about the following proposal:

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Percentage Probability Change
   <50%       100        -1
   50-55       25        -1
   55-60       12.5      -1
   60-70        0         0 *
   70-75       12.5      +1
   75-80       25        +1
   80-85       50        +1
   >85        100        +1

* perhaps a small probability for a production change up or down due to internal causes.

cu
Rainer

@All developers: Is it possible to create a production log file for a specific industry on demand?

[George]

1) I'm playing OpenTTD r13860 with all ECS Vectors and no changes. At any time you can do the following:
Build a steel mill. Build a station next to it. The station does not accept Iron ore or coal even after waiting one year or longer.

I can't reproduce it. Does it happen with clean trunk?

Yes. Original Nightly, not a single patch. I'll send you a save game when I'll be home again in the afternoon. But all you have to do is build the steel mill and then directly begin to build the station. You won't see the goods in the 'accepts' part of the build dialog and the built station never accepts iron ore nor coal.

As intended, every newly build industry does not accept cargo during first 3-10 months of life. Steel mill does not accept cargo during first 93 days of life.

2) The following I noticed in a game with TIBs patchpack, so I'm not sure that I can reproduce it without patches:
A Chemical plant producing only dye for some years can not be enabled to produce fertilizer even if two trains are waiting constantly for years.
The same applies to Refineries (not switching from refinery products to petrol).

It is a feature. Transport 0% cargo this month and next month it will produce both the cargoes

I transported no cargo for several consecutive months (percentage down to 13%). Do you mean I have to wait until the percentage of the station drops to 0?

You have transported, because there is a station. Remove your station (at least the part that covers the industry on the last day of the month and the rating would go to 0 next month.
That works this way because industry counts amount of distributed cargo, not transported cargo.

3) I have not yet managed to get Coal mines producing a rather constant output. They go from 12 tons to 1600 or 2400 tons per month within two or three years and if I do not provide a constantly increasing amount of trains to keep them at over 70% the production then breaks together to about 100 tons within one or two months.

In 5 months. That is intended. I plan to review these values.

What I'd like to have is to assign as many trains as I need to transport enough cargo to fill a steel mill / factory. So there should be a larger percentage area where a production change is unlikely to happen.
I reread the wiki about coal mines and noticed that there is no such area.

For values 60% - 75% and 75% - 85% a smooth production change is applied which means production levels change by -1 and +1 respectively

A "smooth" production change means going from "Very low" to "Ultimate" and back within 6 Months. Right?

No. in 124 months. 6 months is exponential (non-smooth) change

so that is much more than a "normal" 12.5% probability production change on over 85%.
What about the following proposal:

Not a good idea because station rating change is smooth at most 2% per cycle.
Also there should be areas of exponential grow to keep compatibility with TTDPatch.

[michael blunck]

That works this way because industry counts amount of distributed cargo, not transported cargo.

This is really important (I had that question before) and I doubt that many people are aware of it. Maybe you/we should set up a FAQ (on the Wiki ECS) to address problems like this?

[triggering of alternative production]

Q: A chemical plant or a refinery [...] cannot be enabled to produce fertilizer rather than dyes resp. refinery products rather than petrol, even if two trains are waiting constantly for years.

A: It is a feature. You´ll have to transport 0% cargo this month to get production of both cargoes starting next month. To do so, remove your station (at least the part covering the industry) and the rating would go to 0 next month.

It works this way because industry counts amount of distributed cargo, not transported cargo.

regards
Michael

[George]

That works this way because industry counts amount of distributed cargo, not transported cargo.

This is really important (I had that question before) and I doubt that many people are aware of it. Maybe you/we should set up a FAQ (on the Wiki ECS) to address problems like this?

There is one. Unfortunately I do not update it often. It would be nice if you would add questions (with answers if possible, some answers can be fund on the forums) so I could get some help on it. It is much easier to write answers for written questions.

[maso]

I noticed that agriculture vector is very slow in the industry generation phase of a new map compared to other vectors. It is much more noticeable on larger maps. It struggles to place breweries too.