New aircraft capacities

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 14 May 2003 13:09

I found a massive archive on the internet off nearly all airplanes ever build. It seems that Chris Sawyer hasn't been completely honest with all the capacities and performance. If more people are interested I can make a list of the actual capacities and performance.

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 14 May 2003 13:17

That would be good. Maybe MB could make an aircraft set.

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 14 May 2003 17:16

I suggested it to him but he was not keen on this idea ... at least we can creaet planeset, can't we ?

btw. MORE HELICOPTERS !!

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 14 May 2003 21:00

OK, I will start digging thrrugh the database tomorrow. I also found that most early planes fly less fast then CS made us believe. Too bad isn't it? And yes, we need more helicopters. There are too few helicopters right now, but on the other side: how many passengers can be transported by other helicopters? I hope to unreveal that too.

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 14 May 2003 21:02

not many passengers, even 30 is a bit too many

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 14 May 2003 21:06

IMO we should try to take helicopters that are used on oil platforms and such and not big military ones just because more fits in there.

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 15 May 2003 14:55

What about mail capacity, does anyone find that realistic? I haven't found a singel aircraft with specific mail capacity.

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 15 May 2003 14:57

I don't know, but I think all aircrafts just have a mail compartment, along with cargo for passengers. Big cargo is moved in seperate planes.

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 15 May 2003 15:02

What if I cut down on mail compartments? It doesnt pay that much after all...

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 15 May 2003 15:04

That would mess up the ratings. Can't you find any info on cargo?

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 15 May 2003 15:15

Only max loaded weight but can you tell me what an average mailbag weights? And I'm not willing to calculate it, it's enough redoing already!

Patchman · Post by **Patchman** » 15 May 2003 15:25

Arathorn wrote:I don't know, but I think all aircrafts just have a mail compartment, along with cargo for passengers. Big cargo is moved in seperate planes.

Air Canada has several Boing 747-400C (for "combo"), which are half passenger, half cargo planes. The front half is passengers. When I fly back to Germany, I'm usually in one of those planes. Once they tried to load an elephant in the cargo bay (for a zoo), but it didn't want to go and so we were delayed by over two hours...

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 15 May 2003 15:29

Patchman wrote:Air Canada has several Boing 747-400C (for "combo"), which are half passenger, half cargo planes. The front half is passengers. When I fly back to Germany, I'm usually in one of those planes. Once they tried to load an elephant in the cargo bay (for a zoo), but it didn't want to go and so we were delayed by over two hours...

Hence: don't go to Germany

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Edit: Here are the new capacities, file is in TDF-format. You need Owen's TTDAlter to use this format. Please make sure you make a backup of your original executable. For the changes to take effect you should use the sign-cheat Cht: Resetvehicles.
Note #1: this only affects new planes, your current airplanes keep their capacity.

Note #2: I found the correct name for the FFP Dart. It'n not the Aerospace SE310, but the Sud SE210 Caravelle.
Note #3: I also found the type specification for the Sikorsky Helicopter. It't the Sikorsky S61N.

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 15 May 2003 16:03

And maybe we can rename the Dinger 1000 to the Boeing 20XX? Perhaps someone can redesign it as well???

http://www.uvm.edu/~cpadams/ec172/30JETS.html

Zooz · Post by **Zooz** » 17 May 2003 18:36

Dinger = Fokker -_-

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 17 May 2003 19:49

It would be great to have more, and proper realistic, aircraft.

An average mailbag is HEAVY because it is full of paper. However they try not to overload them because it has to be possible to pick them up. A mailbag would probably weight about 80 lbs. But if you were to put this in the cargo capacity of a real airplane, it could actually carry a preposterous number of them, far more than TTD would ever need. Really, you also need to account for the weight of luggage carrid by passengers. There was recently an argument over that, becase an airplane crashed in Charlotte as a result of overloading. The FAA tables said it should have been OK - number of passengers multiplied by the official average of what they should weigh, and their baggage; but Americans have gotten fatter and so have their bags. Right now the official averages are: each passenger weights 190 lbs., each checked bag weighs 30 lbs.

For purposes of TTD, you could probably assume that each passenger represents 250 lbs. Multiply that times the passenger capacity of the plane, and subtract the result from the maximum takeoff cargo weight. Whatever is left can be used for cargo, such as mailbags.

This also allows a more accurate calculation for how much of the other cargos a refitted plane can carry. I think TTD has a weight calculation of full traincars vs. empty traincars, so it would be possible to figure out how much everything weighs where it isn't obvious. Really I've never found air-cargo to be profitable in TTD; the only place were it would make sense would be a plane dedicated to mail, but wouldn't you know, you can't do that.

As far as helicopters, the only ones that would make sense to add would be the twin-rotor type like the Chinook ones the army uses, and the tilt-rotor Osprey. I don't know if the graphics engine could handle either of these though. You can add whatever you like in the future, maybe a UFO-looking thing? A flying wing would be cool. The future planes are pretty unlikely looking, I think we could do better. We just give some of them to Boeing and some to Airbus and leave it at that. Unless we think Lockheed will start making planes again.

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 17 May 2003 21:55

Please post such things in kg if you can. I have no idea of lbs and kg is the universal standard unit.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 17 May 2003 22:29

Well, a kg is 2.2 lbs., so

190lbs. = 86.36kg
30lbs. = 13.63kg
250lbs. = 113.63kg
80lbs. = 36.36kg

BTW:

Here is a good page of passenger helicopters which were operated as shuttles in New York City between the three airports and the heliport on top of the Pan Am building.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... entry=true

The twin-rotors are Boeing Vertols, various models, and the singles are Sikorsky.

Here are pix of the Boeing V-22 Osprey tiltrotor.

http://www.boeing.com/rotorcraft/milita ... photos.htm

Hyronymus · Post by **Hyronymus** » 17 May 2003 22:31

1 lbs = 2.2 kg (on average). But even then I can't find any inspiration to calculate the amount of mailbags. And mailbags of 80 lbs are severely heavy. I never make them that heavy (guess what job I do next to my study). 25 kg (55 lbs) is the heaviest we are allowed to make.

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 17 May 2003 22:45

OK. 80lbs is a little extreme. I think your 55lbs makes more sense.

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