Brigde over bridge

Sir A. Boey · Post by **Sir A. Boey** » 06 Jul 2007 08:50

Hello,

Couldn't it be possible to build a bridge over a brigde?
for example a bridge comming from the North to the South and
a bridge crossing over that bridge to go from the West to the East?

It's allready possible to build over a tunnel exit (as shown in the attachement)...

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » 06 Jul 2007 08:58

I don't think you're going to get many votes for "no".

matryx · Post by **matryx** » 06 Jul 2007 09:21

I remember a patch which did this from the end of last year, (or my memory might be going mad). Well, maybe not this exactly, but it let bridges cross each other I'm sure.

With this idea you've suggested, would you envisage a more detailed bridge designer tool? (slope up, horizontal, slope down) so that you can get higher bridges by using more slopes, or just as it stands currently, and you have to start and end the bridge on a higher plane?

Sir A. Boey · Post by **Sir A. Boey** » 06 Jul 2007 09:34

I'd like to see both options aplied them seem realy nice

Tom0004 · Post by **Tom0004** » 06 Jul 2007 11:10

how about bridges with turns ?

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 06 Jul 2007 19:51

This would be nice top have multilevel bridges, however the map may get a bit too messy with overusage of this feature and there may be some problems with correctly displaying the bridges (as they have pillars under them, someone will have to modify the graphics)

Sir A. Boey · Post by **Sir A. Boey** » 06 Jul 2007 20:28

I agree but as you can see by the votes made so far I'm not the only one who would like this feature to exist and see it implemented.

This problem your talking about also occured when one decided to build a bridge over a tunnel and then tried to make the best of it.

As for your point that the map may get to messy well this is up to the player I guess, now you to could make a very very very messy game!!

Let's hear what a coder has to say about this (I don't know If you are one, if so I'm sorry)

greetz

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 06 Jul 2007 21:22

Sir A. Boey wrote:I agree but as you can see by the votes made so far I'm not the only one who would like this feature to exist and see it implemented.

This problem your talking about also occured when one decided to build a bridge over a tunnel and then tried to make the best of it.

As for your point that the map may get to messy well this is up to the player I guess, now you to could make a very very very messy game!!

Let's hear what a coder has to say about this (I don't know If you are one, if so I'm sorry)

greetz

That reminded me of one design I saw in some openttdcoop savegame. Basically place in which you can stash trains in four layers, even without multilevel bridges (See pic in attachment

Maps can be made messy even without this feature

Maybe worst will be coding the graphics, so the bridges won't visually cut thru each other (pilars of one bridge between second one tracks

ostlandr · Post by **ostlandr** » 07 Jul 2007 14:01

There is a spot near where I grew up where a railroad bridge crosses a creek, then a highway bridge crosses both of them at a higher level. Back in the early 1900s there was another railroad that crossed the stream and railroad paralell to the road.

benc · Post by **benc** » 07 Jul 2007 14:23

0004tom wrote:how about bridges with turns ?

There are no diagonal bridge sprites yet. So this would involve lots of gfx work. For relatively little benefit, imho.

Plus once we start going that route, why not allow junctions on bridges? Depots? Stations? That was one of the things that turned me off of Locomotion. Instead of having to allocate land to build a city station, you could just float a huge station downtown over tops of buildings.

The basic idea of bridges-over-bridges is a good one though.

Johnny B Goode · Post by **Johnny B Goode** » 07 Jul 2007 14:29

0004tom wrote:how about bridges with turns ?

I've thought about that. Having a group of slope buttons like in Locomotion. But with TTD's drag and drop style. There could probably be some kind of patch to make bridges be constructed like normal track. The bridge button could probably be combined with the other track buttons or something, with respect to the slope button settings. I don't think the devs would do that, it seems like really hefty work, and a patch to do all that would be gigantic.

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » 07 Jul 2007 21:36

0004tom wrote:how about bridges with turns ?

"Baby steps" as the devs say. It took years just to get bridges going over signals/diagnol track!

For relatively little benefit, imho.

I don't think it would be little at all. And anyway, all the graphics have to be re-made for 32bit. It'll give them something else to draw.

benc · Post by **benc** » 07 Jul 2007 23:37

Moriarty wrote:all the graphics have to be re-made for 32bit.

Not according to the dev blog: http://blog.openttd.org/?p=15

8bpp is the core of OpenTTD, and it will remain that way. No way 32bpp will remove the need for 8bpp graphics.

Moriarty · Post by **Moriarty** » 08 Jul 2007 16:19

benc wrote:
Moriarty wrote:all the graphics have to be re-made for 32bit.
Not according to the dev blog: http://blog.openttd.org/?p=15
8bpp is the core of OpenTTD, and it will remain that way. No way 32bpp will remove the need for 8bpp graphics.

Ok, "Have" was a bad choice, "should be" or even "will be".

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 10 Jul 2007 04:46

Moriarty wrote:And anyway, all the graphics have to be re-made for 32bit. It'll give them something else to draw.

Yeah, we 've all the 32bpp sprites for 64 tile width, ready and coded ... so it is just nothing to draw these also in a snap.

Just consider what is the rate of new replacenment 32bpp sprites/day and yes, maybe after 10 years...

Bilbo · Post by **Bilbo** » 10 Jul 2007 11:27

benc wrote:
Moriarty wrote:all the graphics have to be re-made for 32bit.
Not according to the dev blog: http://blog.openttd.org/?p=15
8bpp is the core of OpenTTD, and it will remain that way. No way 32bpp will remove the need for 8bpp graphics.

Converting 32bit graphics to 8bit is trivial (yes, there is some quality loss due to less colors, but still, it is trivial

benc · Post by **benc** » 10 Jul 2007 22:55

Bilbo wrote:yes, there is some quality loss due to less colors

For sprite-based games, "some" usually turns out to be "a lot". Dithering will only get you so far.

Speaking of going far, I think we're off topic here.

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