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Gurluas2000 · Post by **Gurluas2000** » 17 Apr 2005 12:36

sorry for bumping this but if horses are not avaible ... then do we get steam cars?

there has to be some road vehicles...

ps: couldt you use will coyote's tto vehicles by default?

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 03 Mar 2006 16:45

Seems to me that if very slow trains are introduced, they could be superceded by the time they finish their maiden journey, and obsoleted by the time they came back from it.

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 03 Mar 2006 17:08

Brianetta wrote:Seems to me that if very slow trains are introduced, they could be superceded by the time they finish their maiden journey, and obsoleted by the time they came back from it.

actually really old steam locomotives were not as slow as people tend to think. Around 1860, a top speed of 60-80 km/h was not uncommon. The main difference is actually the wagon weight. They could only maintain such a speed with 2-3 cars.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 03 Mar 2006 17:22

and by 1904, trains could be going 100mph, as the City of Truro did.

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 03 Mar 2006 17:29

Surely you jest! One would certainly suffocate at such a speed, and no mistake!

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 03 Mar 2006 19:48

Brianetta wrote:Surely you jest! One would certainly suffocate at such a speed, and no mistake!

Every wise person in 1810-20(and maybe even later) knew that the draft from driving 30 km/h would suck out the air from the carriges, so people would suffocate. This meant that trains would have to be well below that speed, and that would remove the benefit from using rails.... railroads was a toy for rich people with no real purpose. Today we all know that to be true

[EDIT] forgot to mention that the wise men still claimed 30 km/h to be a deadly speed even after trains had reached even higher speed

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 03 Mar 2006 20:38

Bjarni wrote:
Brianetta wrote:Surely you jest! One would certainly suffocate at such a speed, and no mistake!
Every wise person in 1810-20(and maybe even later) knew that the draft from driving 30 km/h would suck out the air from the carriges, so people would suffocate. This meant that trains would have to be well below that speed, and that would remove the benefit from using rails.... railroads was a toy for rich people with no real purpose. Today we all know that to be true

[EDIT] forgot to mention that the wise men still claimed 30 km/h to be a deadly speed even after trains had reached even higher speed

You could even have an Atmospheric Railway! It looks like normal tracks, but with a central pipe in which a piston sat. A vacuum (OK lowish pressure) was created one side by enormous pumps, and atmospheric pressure pushed the piston along, the train with it. (I used to work as tour guide for the Brunel Atmospheric Railway pumping house at Starcross in Devon when it was a museum (for a few years). Unfortunately the museum has closed, and is now just used as a storage shed.)

From http://www.whoosh.care4free.net/brunel's.htm

"During the Spring and Summer of 1848 nine trains a day were running between Exeter and Teignmouth and average speeds of 64 mph (103 kph) were attained. The highest speed recorded was 70 mph (112 kph) with a train of 28 tons (28,450kg)."

Note the date!!!!!

honnza · Post by **honnza** » 11 Mar 2006 18:52

ThorRune wrote: (That'd be... Probably one forth of a current train).

Great! That means four horses equals one 4hp loco. This would need: joining more horses to get a reasonable power. They would have to be cheap to run but they would need frequent servicing.

Why aren't its legs moving... Is it flying above the ground or something?

make them blurred. An average horse makes a few thousands of steps a day, I guess.
Or we could have elephants (as RVs) in tropical climate, huskys and sleighs in arctic (the respective rails can only be built over the snowline)...
Now seriously:
What about toy train for toyland climate (a wooden track looks a bit like maglev, except it's not violet)?

DudeWheresMyTank · Post by **DudeWheresMyTank** » 30 Mar 2007 17:33

I can just imagine an OTTD scenario set in ancient Egypt where you buy hebrew slaves to haul stone blocks from a rock quarry to a pyramid

DeletedUser21 · Post by **DeletedUser21** » 30 Mar 2007 17:41

DudeWheresMyTank wrote:I can just imagine an OTTD scenario set in ancient Egypt where you buy hebrew slaves to haul stone blocks from a rock quarry to a pyramid

Major diggage!
But still nice to see my links being used.

Anyway, this is perhaps possible with new industries and new cargo. And maybe newGRF's.

Maedhros · Post by **Maedhros** » 30 Mar 2007 18:04

Mr. X wrote:Anyway, this is perhaps possible with new industries and new cargo. And maybe newGRF's.

Heh, you're not going to get far with new industries or new cargoes without newgrfs.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » 30 Mar 2007 19:49

DudeWheresMyTank wrote:I can just imagine an OTTD scenario set in ancient Egypt where you buy hebrew slaves to haul stone blocks from a rock quarry to a pyramid

I'm so sorry, i could not resist. As terrible as it is though...

imaginner · Post by **imaginner** » 31 Mar 2007 12:34

ummm...

okay

that was... weird

SM9T8 · Post by **SM9T8** » 31 Mar 2007 14:04

DudeWheresMyTank wrote:I can just imagine an OTTD scenario set in ancient Egypt where you buy hebrew slaves to haul stone blocks from a rock quarry to a pyramid

Can you imagine the fuss if the media found out?

"Anti-Semitic Game Lets Players Enslave Jews" says Daily Mail

Also the Egyptian company value should be in slaves, or figs or something like that.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » 31 Mar 2007 14:32

Emohawk wrote:
DudeWheresMyTank wrote:I can just imagine an OTTD scenario set in ancient Egypt where you buy hebrew slaves to haul stone blocks from a rock quarry to a pyramid
Can you imagine the fuss if the media found out?

"Anti-Semitic Game Lets Players Enslave Jews" says Daily Mail

Also the Egyptian company value should be in slaves, or figs or something like that.

Yeah. The Ancient Egyptians did not have a set currency, they traded in goods for instance the farmers would buy things with grain.
I just used the Egyptian Pound, even though it is modern it was nice and simple.

Actually, being a budding Egyptologist and something i am going to study in University. Recent evidence has suggested that the pyramids were not built by slaves at all. Most of the pyramids were built long before the Jews were slaves in Egypt anyway and discovered tombs of pyramid workers’ have shown that they were paid craftsmen, not slaves, and they had their own city at Giza. Egyptologists also have discovered proof that many labourers worked on the Pyramids during periods when farming and harvesting were impossible such as when the Nile flooded.

That being so, i could still imagine the newspapers printing that. Even if it might be wildly innacurate.

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 02 Apr 2007 00:26

jpmaster, you made the mock of the month!

jpmaster wrote:Egyptologists also have discovered...

That's another 'story'. (They don't even know who and how he built the great pyramid...)

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 02 Apr 2007 00:56

Actually, we know a ton about the ordinary men who built the Giza pyramids, thanks to graffiti on walls in the workers houses, and on little clay tablets (stelae) ... "had a strike today as we ran out of eyeliner" (I kid you not!)

About why and how they were built is a bigger mystery.

For a great fun game, you must try Pharoah. You get to build the different pyramids and temples, and have to balance that with developing your city and harvesting crops in cycle with the Nile. Great fun. Feels like a real achievement to build a true pyramid.

honnza · Post by **honnza** » 02 Apr 2007 07:46

richk67 wrote:Feels like a real achievement to build a true pyramid.

maybe this is why they have been built

Griff · Post by **Griff** » 02 Apr 2007 09:34

honnza wrote:
richk67 wrote:Feels like a real achievement to build a true pyramid.
maybe this is why they have been built

It is entirely possibly, what better way to show you were a strong Pharaoh by building something which will show just how strong you are.
Or, they may have been built to make sure the Pharoahs buried within would not be forgotten. Or, they were built and aligned in such a way that they resembled the constellation 'Orion' and thus putting the heavens on earth.
We may never be sure exactly why they were built but as richk67 said, we can learn an awful lot from hieroglyphic text and graffiti. Hieroglyphics are something which i happen to be learning to read..not to blow my own trumpet.

athanasios wrote:jpmaster, you made the mock of the month!

If i could have got the ground from the Desert scenario into it, and the pyramid into the correct orientation it may have been a lot better, but MS Paint is not that advanced in photo editing.

SM9T8 · Post by **SM9T8** » 03 Apr 2007 10:02

Did you here about that architect that thinks the Pyramids were built using a spiral ramp, which will still be inside of the pyramids?
Apparently a team is going to survey the pyramidis to test this theory but if correct it suggest a fraction of the man power was actually needed.

Back on subject, may I drag up my 'small' canals topic again, if we are serious about playing in the early 19th century, it needs to be noted that these were a vital form of transport.

*Braces for impact of argument against*

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